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Holy Shit is that a good documentary. A real testament to how much our Nation and our culture has changed..a lot for the good, but largely at the expense of any fiscal balance and self reliance of people. I will always respect a farmer who takes such risks, but it was amazing then how poor the vision of a lot of people was.. from the government to the bankers to the settlers and farmers themselves.
The number of photos and videos they have from the 1890s all the way through the 1930s is fantastic. Not to mention the number of people they interview who were actually alive and went through it. I can't even imagine.
One of the biggest natural disasters in American history coupled with our worst financial disaster in history. The sad thing is how the government and bankers and farmers all piled on to turn the grasslands into their dreams only to get punished for it in the end.
If I was ever going to believe in the heavy hand of God..
There is romance in all of us
It was a fascinating documentary. Growing up and spending about 10 minutes in a history class talking about it, its something I don't think most people grasp. I was utterly amazed at the strength and resilience of the people who lived through it. Amazing generation of people.
"Bloody midgets ruined by day" Cym Jim
Correction - man made disaster.
Isn't this where 6-6 Big Ten teams play on December 19 or something.
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Well that's one way to look at it too..but make no mistake, the drought and wind and heat lasted 10 years and it came at a VERY bad time. The "plow up" happened just when the weather had been turning a little more damp, so they thought it had changed permanently..only to get bashed by the worst dought they'd seen in a couple lifetimes..
Terrible terrible idea. I imagine often how cool it'd be to have Native Americans living out there doin' their thing with the Buffalo in modern day America..
Climate Change is gonna bring another one. That should be real fun
I am pretty sure they still do...
"Leave the gun.....take the cannoli"
"It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel."
....Versus today's iteration:
Yeah, uh, uncle Sam? I'm going to need you to scratch me a check. FEMA said I could farm here and it hasn't really worked out.. Oh, my kids need some food, too - the check thing is seperate, thanks..
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It was all I could do to pare-back my commentary on my OP..these people knew what they had risked and took it in the Balls like Men, for the most part..
A lot different than how things are today to say the very least.
Agreed. Another excellent piece from KB. I was riveted.
I have business contacts and friends who live in the Oklahoma panhandle..so this am I called one to chat.
He said they are currently calling the drought out there the worst since the 30s, on a whole. But the farming techniques are a lot different now, with terracing and no-till farming. But all in all, they aren't getting a lot of yeilds out of the dryland wheat, either..
In this day and age of quick information transfer and technology and government supports, the lessons learned will certainly help. There is in fact also a lot of natural grassland returning. Not like it used to be, but there are areas of "natural grasses" being preserved again..
There is more population of cattle in feedlots out there than ever before too, interestingly. The land out between Eastern Colorado, Western Nebraska and Kansas and North Texas is littered with more cattle on feed than humans..which is about the only thing that land is good for other than grazing buffalo or attempts at dryland wheat farming. They've really had this same balance in the region for the last 40-50 years, by and large..
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It all made me cough....
Don't worry, something like that is bound to happen again... and again, and again.
It's called 'Climate'.
Just wait until we get the next 'mini-cooling' like the Younger Dryas.
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Yeah such a terrible world we live in now where our gov't actually looks out for its people and the people expect something in return for paying taxes into the system instead of letting an entire generation "deal with it" and "grow some balls". This is exactly why we have a gov't so when a natural or financial disaster happens we have the money and resources to help our people out and move forward.
Burns is phenomenal. He could do a doc on paper plates, and it would be riveting.
Underlying current to the whole piece really shows a difference between people back then, and the blame the other guy, palms-up culture we have now.
I agree 100% with your first sentence.
Havent seen the Doc. But I read "The Worst Hard Time". It has individual stories from the dust bowl. I never knew how bad the dust bowl actually was. Very interesting to read individual's accounts from the time period.
And it's gonna suck if it ever happens again...
I guess you were busy fortifying your home against the 51% who are just free-loading, job-averse abortion-loving leeches coming to take your guns and your money when the documentrary talked about the work that the WPA, Drought Relief Service, Civilian Conservation Corps, Soil Conservation Service etc did to mitigate the disaster and it's human toll. Without this assistance, the human disaster would have undoubtedly been worse. None of this takes away from the courage and resiliance of the people - all it does is underscore the fact that in the face of any natural or man-made disaster that people need help just to subsist and that in the absence of a profit motive the government is the only realistic safety net. That help, which served only to prevent the worst of consequences, was considered a moral imperative of one of the richest countries in the world, as it should be now. But, I am sure that if a similar event put you and your family in a life-threatening predicament you would not only pick yourself up by your own bootstraps but you'd eat them with one hand while fighting off the government with the other. I am in awe.
you missed a letter...fixed.
I think what's a little overlooked, or at least not stated, is that these same people and their children were those that fought in WWII. Given the mindset of many before the war about isolationism, they threw their whole spirit into the greatest conflict in the history of human kind... and they stuck with it until the war was won.
That's a testament to their resolve and the strength the hard times the depression and the dust bowl (along with other hardships at the time) forged in the character of the people of that generation.
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Good comment. I also winced at the horrible treatment these people received as "Okies" who fled the region for work in California. I think we've improved as a society on helping those in need; but of course the pendulum swings too far most of the time, and entitlements take over.
So many important lessons in this documentary, one of which is simply: Mother Nature can be a bitch if mistreated.
yeah, it was nice back in those days when they didn't have any of those government handouts .... wait, wasn't this entire issue based on the Homesteading act in which the government gave this land away to folks that couldn't afford to own land? Maybe a good take away (and a Dem & Rep compromise?) should be to help folks out in a meaningful way once then they're on their own.
I really think the message of the documentary is how even an apparently limitless resource -- has limits. Its also lesson of what can happen when a super-driven, "can do" mentality that values hard work can run amok when it doesn't see the harm it is creating.
Not unlike the debt crises many people find themselves in today: lots of cheap money floating around in early 2000s. People got mortgages they couldn't afford, took out loans they couldn't pay back, and all with just showing they had a heartbeat and maybe some income. They were fooled into believing everything would be fine. Sounded good at the time: look at all these new home owners! Then the bill came.
Yeah and there is a big difference in government aid via smoked pork shipments being sent to Boise City, OK and some of the bailouts that are..
I should stop.
I just finished watching "The Men Who Made America" and wondered where my next history fix was going to come from. Thanks for the idea.
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