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The Heisman finalists are...

  • Lunchables said... (original post)

    confused You Wisconsin fans are a laugh. You talked all week about how you guys were going to go through us like a knife through butter, then when it comes to pumping up your Heisman candidate the next week you're there saying we're LSU on defense? GTFO.

    Strawman alert. I wasn't here for the pre-game trash talk. Never would have said that the Badgers would shred the MSU defense. Much respect for the MSU Defense. However, those claiming that Wisconsin would go right through the Spartan defense were probably pleased with the 42 point output.

    As for other defense....PSU and OSU had good defenses. UW faced Nebraska after they got Crick back and before he was lost for the year. Illinois also was decent on defense. The UW has a good offense. If Ball was a system back, then we should have no trouble replacing him. More likely....that us just fan hyperbole. He's a hell of a player. This season was due to lots if hard work on his part.

    This post was edited by BIOV 3 years ago

  • Treadingcedar23 said... (original post)

    It should be:

    -RG3 -Honey Badger -Ball -Richardson -Wilson -Barkley -Luck

    Luck did not look good any time I watched that team this year.

    Disagree. The guy is legit. But therein lies the issue: Do you vote for the guy that you'd pick first if you were starting a college football team or the guy who made the most difference? The Heisman trophy is the "most outstanding player" - which is why I would go with RG3 over anyone else - he played for Baylor. BAYLOR!!! And did some serious fucking damage. RG3 should win because without him Baylor wins maybe 3 games.

    Without Richardson Alabama probably still has the same amount of wins.

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  • chris14 said... (original post)

    Why are people ranking the Honey Badger so high? Seems like he isn't even the best cornerback on his own team.

    Have you watched LSU this year? Kid makes play after play jumps right on to TV.

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    BIOV said... (original post)

    Strawman alert. I wasn't here for the pre-game trash talk. Never would have said that the Badgers would shred the MSU defense. Much respect for the MSU Defense. However, those claiming that Wisconsin would go right through the Spartan defense were probably pleased with the 42 point output.

    As for other defense....PSU and OSU had good defenses. UW faced Nebraska after they got Crick back and before he was lost for the year. Illinois also was decent on defense. The UW has a good offense. If Ball was a system back, then we should have no trouble replacing him. More likely....that us just fan hyperbole. He's a hell of a player. This season was due to lots if hard work on his part.

    Did he do anything against 6-6 Ohio State? No. He had 80something yards with a 40 yarder thrown in there, so why are you using that as an argument? Fitzgerald Touissant ran for 120 against 6-6 Ohio State.

    Nebraska was 66th in rush defense. Any statement about them being good against the run is a falsity.

    Penn State, Illinois and Michigan State (x2) are the three defenses he faced that were legitimate defenses. Good enough to be a Heisman finalist? Sure, I mean I'm flattered that a solid performance against MSU is looked upon so highly. Is it good enough to be a Heisman winner? Absolutely not. Most importantly, I would argue the addition of Wilson helped Ball tremendously since opposing defenses couldn't stack up against the run as consistently as they would have with someone like Tolzien. MSU was extremely effective against Clay and Ball last season because we could stack up and plug. Playaction with Wilson makes that a risky proposition.

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    Count gHostula said... (original post)

    Disagree. The guy is legit. But therein lies the issue: Do you vote for the guy that you'd pick first if you were starting a college football team or the guy who made the most difference? The Heisman trophy is the "most outstanding player" - which is why I would go with RG3 over anyone else - he played for Baylor. BAYLOR!!! And did some serious fucking damage. RG3 should win because without him Baylor wins maybe 3 games.

    Without Richardson Alabama probably still has the same amount of wins.

    This. What RG3 did with a so-so Baylor team was exactly that... outstanding.

  • Lunchables said... (original post)

    Did he do anything against 6-6 Ohio State? No. He had 80something yards with a 40 yarder thrown in there, so why are you using that as an argument? Fitzgerald Touissant ran for 120 against 6-6 Ohio State.

    Nebraska was 66th in rush defense. Any statement about them being good against the run is a falsity.

    Penn State, Illinois and Michigan State (x2) are the three defenses he faced that were legitimate defenses. Good enough to be a Heisman finalist? Sure, I mean I'm flattered that a solid performance against MSU is looked upon so highly. Is it good enough to be a Heisman winner? Absolutely not. Most importantly, I would argue the addition of Wilson helped Ball tremendously since opposing defenses couldn't stack up against the run as consistently as they would have with someone like Tolzien. MSU was extremely effective against Clay and Ball last season because we could stack up and plug. Playaction with Wilson makes that a risky proposition.

    The only reason I'd like to see Ball win is because he's a B1G player. RG3 deserves it. But if I was starting from scratch and picking a team I'd go with Luck.

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  • Lunchables said... (original post)

    Did he do anything against 6-6 Ohio State? No. He had 80something yards with a 40 yarder thrown in there, so why are you using that as an argument? Fitzgerald Touissant ran for 120 against 6-6 Ohio State.

    Nebraska was 66th in rush defense. Any statement about them being good against the run is a falsity.

    Penn State, Illinois and Michigan State (x2) are the three defenses he faced that were legitimate defenses. Good enough to be a Heisman finalist? Sure, I mean I'm flattered that a solid performance against MSU is looked upon so highly. Is it good enough to be a Heisman winner? Absolutely not. Most importantly, I would argue the addition of Wilson helped Ball tremendously since opposing defenses couldn't stack up against the run as consistently as they would have with someone like Tolzien. MSU was extremely effective against Clay and Ball last season because we could stack up and plug. Playaction with Wilson makes that a risky proposition.

    You missed what I said about Nebraska the first time. I'm well aware that they finished 66th. For a two game stretch, they were healthy - Crick (Pre-Season All-American DT) was playing. That was against Wisconsin. Naturally, when they lost him, they were a different team. Ball looked good against him. How good would Nebraska have been with him all season? That's anyone's guess.

    Richardson and Ball have one common opponent: Penn State.

    Richardson, 26 carries for 111 yards and 2 TDs
    Ball, 25 carries for 156 yards and 4 TDs