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The low ceiling for MSU imposed by fans and media

  • Never have I seen a university get as much negative press after a great game as MSU has over the way the game was called. I say "called" as there were so many uncalled BS calls on UM (Lewens antics, #10's shove, etc.) and too many BS calls on MSU (Rush's "late hit", Worthy's "late hit"). Seems like our loud, self righteous fans have thrown our own under the bus and read from the same script as um fanboy.

    Seriously, why is there no outcry over (or recognition of) UMs cheap shots?

    As a fan base we need to start having and showing some pride. This is effing embarrassing that two days after a great win with a HUGE game on the horizon, we're lamenting over our own player who played hard and aggressive.

    Oh, for those of you concerned about recruiting, how in the hell can this staff sell this program when so many of our own are trying to be so self righteous and detractors?

    If Gholston is suspended tomorrow, I will be disgusted. MSU needs to fight this perception not give into it. MSU needs to call Delany and call out these officials. MSU needs to call out ESPN. If Hollis can't handle it, hire a freaking publicity team.

    Neg bomb away, but show some pride doing it you freaking nancies.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Hank Moody 3 years ago

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  • There was crap happening all game long on both sides. Every single UM fan needs to shut their pie hole over the officiating because I saw A LOT of offensive PI, hits after the whistle, and holding calls happening all day long that were never called. It went both ways, you got away with more of it than we did, stfu and go home.

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  • Comes with the territory of winning. Ask Auburn fans how people thought of Fairly last year. Also, Legarrette Blount got suspended for most of a season for a punch (though it was more blatant). It sucks, but it's really not that surprising that Gholston will be suspended for at least a game.

  • Hank Moody said... (original post)

    Never have I seen a university get as much negative press after a great game as MSU has over the way the game was called. I say called as there were so many uncalled BS calls on UM (Lewens antics, Rountree's kick, 10's shove) and too many BS calls on MSU (Rush's "late hit", Worthy's "late hit"). Seems like our loud, self rightious fans have thrown our own under the bus and um fan boy are reading from the same page. Seriously, why is there no outcry over (or recognition of) UMs cheap shots?

    As a fan base we need to start having and showing some pride. This is effing embarrassing that two days after a great win with a HUGE game n the horizon, we're lamenting on our own player who played hard and aggressive.

    Oh, for those of you concerned about recruiting, how in the he'll can this staff sell this program when so many of our own are trying to be so self righteous and detractors?

    If Gholston is suspended tomorrow, I will be disgusted. MSU needs to fight this perception not give into it. MSU needs to call Delany and call out these officials. MSU needs to call out ESPN. If Hollis can't handle it hire a freaking publicity team.

    Neg bomb away, but show some pride doing it you freaking nancies.

    I think the problem is we are showing too much pride. We are not delusional, writing letters to the AD, writing letters to the B1G and blowing a few penalties into a massive deal. Last year Fairley had positive press for similar plays on ESPN. This year we are getting pushed around by a lunatic fan base. Sitting back and ignoring the Walmart fans are just making them yell louder to let us know they are still important. The problem is, I really do not care about that game any more. MSU won, I am ready for Homecoming, Game Day, and Wisconsin.

    It must suck when you are so butt hurt over a loss you have to cry this hard.

  • The Big Ten suspended Mouton a game for popping the ND player. It would be hard not to suspend Gholston.

    This post was edited by MalibuMan 23 months ago

  • mstateu4evr said... (original post)

    Comes with the territory of winning. Ask Auburn fans how people thought of Fairly last year. Also, Legarrette Blount got suspended for most of a season for a punch (though it was more blatant). It sucks, but it's really not that surprising that Gholston will be suspended for at least a game.

    You are comparing Cam Newton and Blount (who assaulted some one AFTER the game) to WG?

    Please confirm.

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  • Hank Moody said... (original post)

    You are comparing Cam Newton and Blount (who assaulted some one AFTER the game) to WG?

    Please confirm.

    I think he said he wouldn't be surprised if Gholston got suspended for a game. Given Mouton's suspension, this seems reasonable.

    UM fans are already celebrating on tBB.

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  • Sometimes I am as disgusted by MSU "fans" as I am by the umaa fans.

    This morning I tune in 107.3 and hear this wuss host Bret Bakita (whose parents are MSU grads) say he's an MSU fan and immediately start agreeing with the scum callers pissing and moaning about MSU's "rough" and "classless" play. Saying Gholston went too far, Dantonio should have taken it upon himself to sit Gholston, blah, blah blah.

    MSU was totally 'effed as soon as ESPN ran the replay twice and the talking heads in th booth wouldn't let it go. If Gholston does get a game suspension it's the lead for the 8:00PM national broadcast. If he doesn't get sat down it's still the lead and ESPN replays "the punch".

    Dantonio now joins Biggie and Duffy as the only 3 coaches to beat umaa 4 years in a row but we don't hear shit about that. Cousins plays the Dantonio QB role of "Do no harm" and beats umaa as a starter 3 years in a row and its ignored. September Heisman winner Robinson who was averaging 120 yd/game gets held to 42 yards and its crickets.

    Bur Gholstons "punch" that wasn't strong enough to knock Lewan down is the talk of the town.

  • MSUManiac13

    It's because we won. Why the hell would we care?

  • GRR Spartan said... (original post)

    MSU was totally 'effed as soon as ESPN ran the replay twice and the talking heads in th booth wouldn't let it go. If Gholston does get a game suspension it's the lead for the 8:00PM national broadcast. If he doesn't get sat down it's still the lead and ESPN replays "the punch".
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    Bur Gholstons "punch" that wasn't strong enough to knock Lewan down is the talk of the town.

    Yup.

    By the way, how do you hurt someone wearing a football helmet complete with face mask by punching him in the face? Seems like you'd hurt your hand a lot more than the guy in the helmet.

  • Hank Moody said... (original post)

    You are comparing Cam Newton and Blount (who assaulted some one AFTER the game) to WG?

    Please confirm.

    huh Nick Fairly and Cam Newton are the same people now? Hard hitting defensive teams are always viewed as dirty by the opposition. As I said, it comes with the territory of having an in your face D. Suh is the same way on the Lions. Personally I love teams like that, it's intimidating to opponents. It's a different sport, but I watched the Red Wings build their legacy the past two decades over hard hitting, brutal defensive play. Many people call thuggish, but it wins championships, regardless of the sport. You're probably feel like MSU's getting attacked because you're paying attention to it. Meanwhile the majority of the country only sees a 6-1 MSU team that just beat #11 Michigan, by killing their "unstoppable" offense.

    As for Blount, what's it matter if it was after the game or in the game? A punch is a punch, and a one game suspension seems reasonable. It sucks that we lose him, but no player should be able to get away with that.

  • Hank Moody said... (original post)

    Never have I seen a university get as much negative press after a great game as MSU has over the way the game was called. I say "called" as there were so many uncalled BS calls on UM (Lewens antics, Rountree's kick, 10's shove) and too many BS calls on MSU (Rush's "late hit", Worthy's "late hit"). Seems like our loud, self righteous fans have thrown our own under the bus and read from the same script as um fanboy.

    Seriously, why is there no outcry over (or recognition of) UMs cheap shots?

    As a fan base we need to start having and showing some pride. This is effing embarrassing that two days after a great win with a HUGE game on the horizon, we're lamenting over our own player who played hard and aggressive.

    Oh, for those of you concerned about recruiting, how in the hell can this staff sell this program when so many of our own are trying to be so self righteous and detractors?

    If Gholston is suspended tomorrow, I will be disgusted. MSU needs to fight this perception not give into it. MSU needs to call Delany and call out these officials. MSU needs to call out ESPN. If Hollis can't handle it, hire a freaking publicity team.

    Neg bomb away, but show some pride doing it you freaking nancies.

    Plus 1 to you.

    I agree. This was an intense rivalry game and our team out played them. It seems like there is more smack talk from scUM fanbase before this game than during the entire year. scUM fans are THE worst and are THE reason I dislike scUM teams.

    I have no love for Chris Speilman. He started all this bad play talk from the ESPN booth! I would have thought Chris would be a card carrying member in the Ohio State Alums Hatin' scUM for Life club. Apparently not. Thanks for calling it both ways Speilman.

    Sorry for the rant guys.

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  • 11B2P said... (original post)

    Plus 1 to you.

    I agree. This was an intense rivalry game and our team out played them. It seems like there is more smack talk from scUM fanbase before this game than during the entire year. scUM fans are THE worst and are THE reason I dislike scUM teams.

    I have no love for Chris Speilman. He started all this bad play talk from the ESPN booth! I would have thought Chris would be a card carrying member in the Ohio State Alums Hatin' scUM for Life club. Apparently not. Thanks for calling it both ways Speilman.

    Sorry for the rant guys.

    Spot on.

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  • Don't mean to be in the 10% here, but what did roundtree do? I searched and got nothing. shrug

  • Whoever is comparing big Will's punch to Legarrette Blount's is a fucking moran.

  • Lots of up-votes from me to many of you for the stuff you're saying. Spot on!

    Let me say this, in some retrospect based on what I've seen in past games between MSU and u of m. The games are dirty. On both sides. Always have been, always will be. Now that there's so much concern... warranted, albeit... about head injuries, we've got to legislate what can be done and is done in some of these games?

    I understand the desire to keep players safe. I'm all for that. No issues there, so please don't misread what I'm saying.

    But I can remember countless times when MSU was the weaker team and the "dirty" physical play that u of m dished our way. Who was the player from u of m that injured one of our guys to the extent that he couldn't return for the game? And when he did so, he lorded over him, taunting him as he lay there withering in pain? I think it was Woodley, and I can't remember who he hit. Someone help me on that one please

    What about those kind of dirty plays from the past? Oh, that's okay because it was u of m doing so? BS!!!

    Why is is such a big deal that WG punched a guy? Maybe he was calling him and "Uncle Tom" or a "nigg**" while facemasking him to the ground after the play was over. Completely uncalled for. Who's going to do or say anything about that? What about the countless crack-back blocks the u of m Oline made? The blind-sided blocks in the back that went uncalled? The non-stop holding all game long? All that went uncalled.

    As has been said before, football is a dirty game. Nobody would have said a thing about any of this back in the day... especially back in the day when u of m was winning more games against MSU then they have been recently. But now? OMG!! Infamnia!!! MSU is dirty, u of m is so pristine and wonderful!!!!

    I'm sick of this! If WG has to sit out for a punch after what happened, then I'm not sure how much I'll be able to handle my emotions. If the Big Ten imposes something without doing something against that slime-ball from u of m that prompted this, then there's some serious conspiracy theory going on and there needs to be an uprising from our fan-base.

    Of course, that same conspiracy might just mean that the B10 sees MSU as a legitimate threat against their view as the lone contender for BCS "glory", so let's "punch MSU in the lung"... ala Gladiator movie style... to hamper MSU's chances.

    *sigh*

    I'll stop. Rant over.

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  • Woodley put the hurt on Stanton at the Big hole. IIRC scUm fans cheered that he was hurt. Yet they have the nutz to call us classless thugs. Read the Wiki article on LaMarr.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaMarr_Woodley

  • Woodley did it to Stanton...

    And some low life UofM fan made t-shirts of that photo and sold them all. I know this for a fact. I guess it was a very popular t-shirt. Of course it was a UofM player doing it to a Spartan, so I guess it was ok.

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  • Ted Brogan

    So much win in this thread. 100% agree with everything.

    I try to be rational about being an MSU fan, but this Gholston stuff is just out of control. The same for Rucker last year - served his suspension and came back to play - what the hell was the big deal?

    Haters gon' hate?

  • pulling69

    I would love for Hollis to be available at Dantonio's regularly scheduled presser tomorrow to say some of the things coach D would like to say but can't...but Hollis is in San Diego for a few days working out details for 11-11-11.

    35,600 posts and counting since 09-09-2002. tRCMB Dead Pool Commissioner.

  • TrapperGus

    NigelUno said... (original post)

    The Big Ten suspended Mouton a game for popping the ND player. It would be hard not to suspend Gholston.

    There was no penalty on the play (Mouton) and the punch was not a follow through from the play but was sigificantly after paly had finished and it was a sucker punch and the coach did nothing about it...completely different situation...

    Lurking on tRCMB since 1996

  • Hank Moody said... (original post)

    Never have I seen a university get as much negative press after a great game as MSU has over the way the game was called. I say "called" as there were so many uncalled BS calls on UM (Lewens antics, Rountree's kick, 10's shove) and too many BS calls on MSU (Rush's "late hit", Worthy's "late hit"). Seems like our loud, self righteous fans have thrown our own under the bus and read from the same script as um fanboy.

    Seriously, why is there no outcry over (or recognition of) UMs cheap shots?

    As a fan base we need to start having and showing some pride. This is effing embarrassing that two days after a great win with a HUGE game on the horizon, we're lamenting over our own player who played hard and aggressive.

    Oh, for those of you concerned about recruiting, how in the hell can this staff sell this program when so many of our own are trying to be so self righteous and detractors?

    If Gholston is suspended tomorrow, I will be disgusted. MSU needs to fight this perception not give into it. MSU needs to call Delany and call out these officials. MSU needs to call out ESPN. If Hollis can't handle it, hire a freaking publicity team.

    Neg bomb away, but show some pride doing it you freaking nancies.

    Damn straight.

  • The UM fanbase needs to cry about EVERYTHING. Football is a rough sport, and it was a rough game. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. It sucks losing to your little brother. It sucks so bad you resort to excuses like he cheats or he plays too rough.

    Honestly, if you've ever played a sport in your life you'll take a couple shots you may not agree with. It's how you react to it that matters. You can throw your arms in the air and try to draw a penalty, you can whine to the officials after the game, or you can be a man and get back up and get back in the play.

    Now I didn't see anything out of Gholston or anyone else on the field that I don't see every other game. Some penalties were called, some were missed, we won the game anyway. UM can cry all they want, but our overly aggressive playing was giving them yards and they still lost. Their team seems to get it, but the fans don't.

  • clap

    I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment here. What kills me is this is a lose-lose situation for us now. Either Gholston is suspended due to the incessant whining from AA and our chances of beating UW are severely limited, or he is not suspended and we get the volume turned up to 11 for the rest of the season about we only win because of our "thugs" and "Warden Dantonio" who never disciplines a soul.

    These were penalties, called and enforced in the game! What is the problem, you assholes? I feel like I am taking crazy pills!

  • Hank Moody said... (original post)

    I really don't think it's as bad as tRCMB is making it out to be.

    10,000% correct. I'm not in the Lansing area and didn't listen to WXYT yesterday but other than the typical internet overreaction on the RCMB, the local Detroit papers have not focused on this aspect of the game. Sunday's Freep which is the main source for most, mainly said that we dominated UM and there were even remarks that it's not much of a rivalry right now. The big picture nationally is that once again Michigan was overrated and that MSU's defense is awesome.

  • Just1Spartan said... (original post)

    clap

    I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment here. What kills me is this is a lose-lose situation for us now. Either Gholston is suspended due to the incessant whining from AA and our chances of beating UW are severely limited, or he is not suspended and we get the volume turned up to 11 for the rest of the season about we only win because of our "thugs" and "Warden Dantonio" who never disciplines a soul.

    These were penalties, called and enforced in the game! What is the problem, you assholes? I feel like I am taking crazy pills!

    So..... we have one guy, during one game, that makes a couple questionable plays, and now all of the sudden our team is a bunch of thugs who aren't disciplined, and play cheap. Call me crazy, but I just can't take this seriously.

    Just typical Um and media diverting attention from their golden boy to their black sheep. If Will does get suspended will it even shut them up, or will it just confirm their accusations?

    But you're completely right, it's no win situation for us. I think the best we can do is to quit talking about it and focus on the next game, which is a pretty big one.