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The top 10 defense plays like Greg Norman on Sunday in a major. Time to try something different.
Because we haven't coffin-cornered an opponent all year. If we had any reasonable confidence of pinning them inside their own 5 or 10 or so, then it would have been the right call. But everyone on the planet knew that was coming to the 20 - every kick and punt going south today was a boomer. Our play calling all year in those marginal situations has been under the assumption that we have excellent punting, excellent field goal kicker, and a stuff-em 4th quarter D. It just seems that decision played into their strengths (late game offense) against our weakness (late game defense).
It was the right thing to do most years. But not with this year's team.
especially in the 3rd quarter when we gave up -19 yards - gashed all day indeed
Dantonio can't win with this crowd. What game was that that we had 2 possessions in the last 3 minutes and could not close? Iowa? This board crucified him for throwing the ball instead of running. Our defense absolutely killed us today. The offense made some mistakes also, but the defensive mistakes led to points. I do agree that was not pass interference on Dennard. We self destructed in this game the same way we have all season.
MSU gets two yards, this game is won. WON. Instead, they punted for a 18-yard net gain and giving Nebraska a shot to win.
Yes, there is risk for a 2 yard play. To me, the bigger risk is even giving Nebraska a chance. It'd take stones, but I'd say "do it".
MD took the conservative route and it failed.
The problem isnt he is conservative. Its thag he has done it EVERY time this year and it has come back to bite him EVERY time th is year. Hes wayyyyyyy too conservative. We dont have good ST, good kicker and our D chokes in big moments. You dont need to give them a chance
I have an MBA...Master at Being Amazing
UCLA scored in the 60s on this NU team. Central scored in the 30s and beat Iowa at Iowa. C'mon. At some point you dantonio fluffers have to realize its coaching!!!! The talent is that much different between D1 schools and we have a lot.
Maxwell was 9 for 27. It is hard to win w/o a productive passing game. It was not all Maxwell's fault, his receivers dropped some balls they should have caught, but this team is not better than average. The refs screwed us too but we could not get a first down when we needed one AGAIN. If the put 8 or 9 in the box we are screwed.
This post was edited by rodent 17 months ago
It was the right call. They just needed the defense to make a stop. It was a decision that failed.
If they had went for it, and failed, it would have left a much shorter field, and you pussy ass bitches would have been whining about how we ran the wrong play, or someone didnt do something, or whatever.
I guess pussyassbitches are gonna be pussyassbitches no matter what happens. Hey, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day.
I was fixing my damn horse pasture all morning, most of the afternoon, but I caught the 2nd half. One one failed drive we dropped two passes. Should have caught both. Turned into a punt.
On another drive we had 2 recievers in the same area, one tipped the ball, costing the other a chance to drop a sure first down.
Maxwell wasnt necessarily and hasnt necessarily been the passing problem on this team.
That's bullshit. The only thing that matters about decisions is the process, not the end results. Win probability says you go for that 4th down conversion every time given the likelihood of a kick going into the end zone versus the probability of getting the first down. Bell at that point was averaging 5.5 yards per carry.
I dont necessarily LIKE the call, but there was nothing wrong with it. I would have went for it.
But Coach D has won a few more games than I have. It didnt work. I dont think you fry a coach over a decision that is 50/50. And really, there is now way to prove it would have, or would not have worked.
No way of knowing. It's stupid to have to call someone out every time something goes wrong.
bing and go.
unfortunate low snap, caused rush punt, otherwise i like sadlers chances of pinching them deep.
it was TWO yards, not two feet @ the 40.
they stack the box with 8 or 9, fans are calling for roushars head.
they throw an imcomplete, stop the clock, fans are calling for roushars head.
the "title" of this thread that this is on "dantonio" is moronic, imo
punting was the right call.
This post was edited by jallen fan11693 17 months ago
True, but he was 9 for 27. The receivers are inexperienced as is Maxwell.
there are too many things going wrong, and most of them have to do with inexperienced players. QB, WRs, LSnapper, We've got things going on everywhere. It makes ZERO sense to call someone, anyone, out for this loss. (Im not an excuse maker, but damn those refs are responsible for a 14pt swing)
If we had a Head Coach that didnt know how to win, and was proving it, that would be different. We won 11 games the last 2 seasons. he didnt suddenly forget how to coach. They are trying to make things work with the players the have, and sometimes, it just doesnt work. It sucks. I freaking hate losing. But these losses just come down to , "damn, that effing sucks!!!" and sometimes that is just the way it is.
I said this right after the Leveon Bell run that got 4th and 2nd; I was like: "Are they going to punt here? Oh goodness." Listen, let's look at this from another view. You have a choice: 1. Either get two yards and win the game right then and there. OR 2. Give the the ball back to Nebraska with over a minute left while the defense is gassed at this point. I understand that the defense stopped them on the preceding drive, but you can not allow Nebraska, with several big plays tonight, get the ball back.
Now in hindsight, the two following actions occurred: 1. The net gain of the punt was only +19. 2, Martinez got 20+ yards on the first play of that last drive.
But whatever, it's all my opinion, which does not matter at this point.
And that, as I say, is that.
Please dont take it personal, Im not pointing you out specifically on this but.....
hindsight is a HUGE advantage.
No. The wrong call is the call that decreases your probability of winning. Him not going for it on 4th and 2 with a first down ending the game was a shining example of something that makes you more likely to lose, same with Iowa.
If anything, it's even more important given the refereeing up to that point to take it out of their hands.
In fact, f u for suggesting this.
MSU should not be forced to play +10 points better than our opponents These officials were fuckng incompetent. Just like the officials against OSU and Iowa.
When you are coaching your next D1 team I will be sure to be there to let you know when a call doesnt go your way.
Except for last week.
Who sees all beings in his own self, and his own self in all beings, loses all fear."
It's not hindsight. It's a calculation of the percentage chance that you get the first down versus the chance that the punt goes into the end zone. If there's a good chance that the punt goes into the end zone, then you trade the high probability chance to end a game for 20 whole meaningless yards of field position. If Dantonio had decided to go for it and they still lost, the decision would have been a good one. If he punted and MSU won, they would have won despite his bad decision.
anyone suggesting we should have gone for it on 4th down is a fucking idiot. it was the right call. The main problem was the bad snap that forced Sadler to boot it into the endzone to avoid the block. But there is no reason to suggest at that stage that we were odds on to pick up 2 yards...they were stuffing the run well. you just don't take that chance. pinning them w/ 1:20ish and no time outs is the right call every time.
And in the end we held them to a FG attempt to send it to OT. Then the refs decided it would be better if they had a 1st and goal at the 5 w/ 20 seconds to try and win instead. The D did enough to at WORST be in an OT game vs. a good team. None of it is "on Coach D."
do you have the probablities of dive plays -v- counter traps, or draws -v- pitch sweeps, or do you know what personnel need to be in to accomplish said plays, and how they are performing, and whether they are all healthy, and.....well........
you know the stats you want to know that work for your argument. Stat will prove whatever you want them to prove. Always.
It is also hindsight.
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