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Notre Dame and Nebraska on the road are going to be tough as balls.
Michigan at home, where it seems they play us well, will be a nailbiter.
Our offense is going to suck and our defense is going to take a step back without Adams and Gholston (if gone). It will still be good and I like the fact that we have some guys who are primed to contribute (Drummond, Taiwan, hopefully Cox)
I don't think we will go 6-6 but I don't think 10+ is gonna happen either. Schedule is certainly in our favor for once though.
This post was edited by VenomousGDuck23 15 months ago
Formerly Venomous Green Duck. Join Date: Nov. 2004 # of posts: 17,867.
Until Roushar is gone, every game is a toss up (all except ND) or loss (@ND).
Too bad, there is a lot of talent in this program and the defense will continue to be bad ass. But our offense will continue to struggle and flirt with incompetence as long as Roushar is the OC.
I have a problem seeing L's to Iowa, IL, IU, Purdue and Minnesota. Then again, with the Spartan offense as bad as it was in '12 with Bell gone, it's pretty scary for MSU.
MSU BADLY needs an RB to break out in the spring, and to have the QB derby conclude quickly. If Sims goes pro too . . . yikes.
OL . . . injuries can't be much worse in '13, right? The 2 byes help immensely, and trading IL and Purdue for Wisky and tOSU doesn't just help in the W/L column, it helps on the "beat up-ness" front.
Remember the tOSU, BYE, UM, Wisky, @Nebraska stretch in '11? MSU was exhausted by the end of that, and came out flat as a pancake vs. Minny the next week (31-24 MSU).
For at least the next 2 years, you aren't going to see a stretch like that. The Big 10 is broken up into a 5 game and 3 game stretch by the byes, with the first 4 Big 10 games as cushy as they can be: @Iowa, IU, Purdue, @IL. After the IL game, MSU hosts Michigan, with a bye on the horizon, before finishing up @Nebraska, @Northwestern and Minny.
Still, I'm very concerned about the O. If Maxwell had had a decent game vs. TCU (like 18/31, 214 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT), I would have said he made some strides and was poised to take a step forward in '13. Instead, he recorded his 4th straight sub-50% completion game. That's just not great. Who's going to take over for him? A RS FR O'Connor, or a RS Soph Cook who's barely played? No run-game to protect them? No Big TE to give them a safe target? Objectively, it's hard to imagine a stark improvement in the O in just 1 season with who MSU is bringing back and who's coming in.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
MSUs backfield will be ranked preseason the worst in the big ten. Not sure I can ever remember that. Hopefully it does not end up that way.
As much as we bitch about schedules, we have the best possible schedule it seems this year, with the bye placements you mentioned, coupled with no OSU or UW.
The development of guys like Paul Lang are crucial too because if Sims goes, we might have the worst offense in the league.
How would you rank our RBs? Could you even, based on very limited to no experience. Is Holmes better than Shelton or is that just because of his build/style? Is Langford really an option?
I can't say much about the RBs, other than Hill isn't even 2011 Edwin Baker.
I think Holmes is more likely to play than Shelton because of his build, but that's about all. Tompkins RS'd, Langford barely saw the field. Ginormous question mark.
Stewart Mandel brought up a good point a couple of months ago: why don't elite RBs line up to play at MSU? You're going to be getting the ball a ton and MSU is one of the few schools who isn't afraid to have a featured RB (i.e., someone who gets 90% of the carries).
They're all busy lining up to be 4th string at USC and Bama.
I'm much more concerned about the QB position than the RB position next year (even assuming Bell leaves). I really hope O'Connor has the talent to win the job.
I'm concerned about RB BECAUSE of the QB position. MSU's O didn't have a pulse with Bell's nearly 1800 yard season. Even Ringer's 1600 yard 2008 came with a side of 20 TDs (Bell had 12).
MSU isn't going to have a workhorse back next year; it's going to be a platoon. That can work out well (Bell/Baker in '10, Ringer/Caulcrick in '07), or it can be a total face-plant (all of 2009). If MSU can't replicate Bell's yardage with 2 RBs (i.e., have a 1000 yard and 800 yard rusher), the O is going to regress, because I don't see the QB being enough of a threat to back off 8 man fronts. Bell gained the most yards after contact of any RB in the country this year. I doubt his successors will be able to have the same success. That means those 3 yard carries end up being 0-1 yard runs, and those 15-18 yard broken tackle runs are 4-5 yard gains.
We'll see how things work out in the spring though.
This post was edited by MalibuMan 15 months ago
I understand your point, but that's exactly why I'm not as concerned about the RB position. We saw this year that we can have a great RB and a horrible offense. It's also possible to have a good offense with mediocre backs.
But you're not going to have a good offense without a good QB.
Totally agree. But I also think there were some 20-30 yard runs by Bell that could turn into 50-60 yard touchdowns from a different back. I'm not saying I'll take that trade off, but there could be some positives mixed in there.
You can even look at this the other way and think if MSU does not have a legit running threat at RB, how effective can the passing game be? Hypothetically speaking, lets say MSU doesn't have an effective RB(s), with what the receivers have shown (or not shown), I don't see a lot of promise for the passing game no matter who's QB.
At this point in time, the offense in 2013 is a little scary. Good news is there's nine months for practice and improvement. Hopefully the guys on O are up to the task.
That's a good point. A couple of times there were massive holes that Baker would have housed (Minny and Nebraska in particular), so there may be more of a home run threat. That could help too, as MSU had problems stringing together 7+ play drives; one 25 yard run by Bell wasn't going to guarantee a score (it's telling that none of Bell's long runs were for TDs). If you have a speed RB, you lessen the burden on the O; you can score in 1 play.
MSU was definitely missing a big play threat overall; no huge passes and no explosive runs (long run for MSU over the past 2 years has been 40 yards).
That's exactly what I've been saying all year. If the offense was going to be shitty anyway, we might have been better off in certain situations with a worse RB, but one who was a home run threat.
Without the amount of times that we run the ball, a long run of only 40 yards over the past two seasons is unreal.
Wow, you guys are way too pessimistic for a change. I like it. For the first time in years, i think we'll do better than most everyone else. I saw us play at a level of a 10-3 team this year, but with some bad breaks. That bowl win is going to look pretty good next season when TCU is 10-2 and wins the B12 title.
Aug. 31 WESTERN MICHIGAN W 1-0
Sept. 7 SOUTH FLORIDA W 2-0
Sept. 14 YOUNGSTOWN STATE W 3-0
Sept. 21 at Notre Dame W 4-0 (Early season crazy talk of national championship...)
Oct. 5 at Iowa W 5-0
Oct. 12 INDIANA W 6-0
Oct. 19 PURDUE W 7-0
Oct. 26 at Illinois W 8-0 (...builds to a freakish frenzy.)
Nov. 2 MICHIGAN W 9-0
Nov. 16 at Nebraska W 10-0
Nov. 23 at Northwestern W 11-0
Nov. 30 MINNESOTA W 12-0
Dec. 7 BTCG L to Ohio State on a wide array of garbage calls from the refs.
We go to an at large BCS bowl and slide by vs. a Big East or ACC team to finish 13-1.
Early season QB controversy gradually morphs into a permanent 2-QB system.
Offense improves in the red zone, and moves easier in general due to teams not overloading the box on us, but still is only an average offense.
Defense is best in the country.
Narduzzi leaves before the bowl game.
The ultimate sunshine post
Rogue Leader= Obese coward who didn't attend MSU and has no college degree
and I thought that my prediction was sunshine-y.
I'll have whatever you're smoking, brah.
Im actually worried more about the RB situation than the QB. I think WR will be drastically better, with Burbridge and Arnett leading the way. I think Madaris and Kings will be solid. Hopefully with AB, DA, and MK at WR they can get open, that is some pretty good athleticism and speed.
Another back doesn't get past the line of scrimmage in many if those situations.
That is IF Arnett can get his head on straight. I'd really like to know- is he just not as good as the hype or was he just a damn fool this year... or was his situation at home gettin' at him.
Laugh it up. I'm serious. The only games we got outplayed in this season were against ND and TCU. ND is going to have a big drop-off next year, so i think we'll be better. This season we were on par and in a big muddle with 5 other B10 teams. 2 of those teams we don't play next season. Michigan is going to have a pretty big dropoff next season. That leaves Nebraska and Northwestern. I guess a more cautious prediction would be that we lose one of those two games and finish 12-2, or that we face a tougher bowl opponent and finish 11-3. I'm sticking with my original pick though.
this is going to sound funny after the year we have had, but no one on the "home slate" scares me at all......
Aug. 31 WESTERN MICHIGAN W 1-0
Sept. 7 SOUTH FLORIDA W 2-0
Sept. 14 YOUNGSTOWN STATE W 3-0
Sept. 21 at Notre Dame L 3-1
Oct. 5 at Iowa W 4-1 (1-0)
Oct. 12 INDIANA W 5-1 (2-0)
Oct. 19 PURDUE W 6-1 (3-0)
Oct. 26 at Illinois W 7-1 (4-0)
Nov. 2 MICHIGAN W 8-1 (5-0)
Nov. 16 at Nebraska L 8-2 (5-1)
Nov. 23 at Northwestern L 8-3 (5-2)
Nov. 30 MINNESOTA W 9-3 (6-2)
9-3....... wouldn't be surprised if they did win at NW to go 10-2...... so back to florida for one of the big "new years" games....
Aug. 31 WESTERN MICHIGAN - W
Sept. 7 SOUTH FLORIDA - W
Sept. 14 YOUNGSTOWN STATE - W
Sept. 21 at Notre Dame - L
Oct. 5 at Iowa - W
Oct. 12 INDIANA - W
Oct. 19 PURDUE - W
Oct. 26 at Illinois - W
Nov. 2 MICHIGAN - W
Nov. 16 at Nebraska - L
Nov. 23 at Northwestern - L
Nov. 30 MINNESOTA - W
Finish the year 9-3. I think Maxwell starts the year but is on a very short leash. Combo of Nick Hill and Nick Thompkins getting the bulk of the carries.
This post was edited by Ham Porter 15 months ago
We were losing to EMU at the half.
I hope you're right, but our QB's threw for under 50 yards during the bowl game (nobody else in D1 could have been that bad). The only thing Maxwell did right was not throw a pick 6, and we can thank TCU for our 2nd score.
Everything that I have read is that DA may have came to MSU a little arrogant, but guys like Rico Beard and Coach have said he's been keeping his mouth shut and working hard. Even when he was in the game, you could see him get open. Kings is also very very shifty.
If Burbridge, Arnett, and Kings all play like they can, this will be a very good WR unit. Im also high on Monty Madaris. He's not the fastest, but he's big and physical. IMO, MSUs WRs were terrible at blocking this past year and Madaris is guy that can fix that.
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