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A more complete quote, which I found interesting, on a number of levels:
Rutgers was accepted into the Big Ten last fall, with the widespread belief that the conference wanted a foothold in the New York metropolitan area. But while intending no disrespect to Rutgers, Tranghese said: “A lot of people don’t understand what makes New York tick. The two schools with the biggest impact in the New York market have been Syracuse and Connecticut.”
The Big Ten does prefer that its members be part of the Association of American Universities, an organization of leading research universities. But while Connecticut does not belong, and Rutgers does, Nebraska lost its membership after joining the Big Ten, which has also at times pursued another non-A.A.U. member, Notre Dame.
So the clear implication is we should have pursued UConn instead of Rutgers, to get a foothold in NYC, and a top public university.
As the current Big East dissolves, Connecticut is contemplating an immediate future in an unheralded league and the likelihood of no traditional or natural geographic rivals.
Thank you, Denicos.
If UConn is such a plum, why didn't the ACC want them.
This post was edited by WBill19542 13 months ago
Sour grapes are sour. There's a reason why the Big East failed.
Tranghese is of the basketball first mind set. There are high school football teams in Michigan that have more of a following than UConn. I'm not a fan of Rutgers but saying we should've taken UConn over them is idiotic.
RU football is more popular in NYC than UCONN football.
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
Having lived in NYC I can sy he's right. Rutgers doesn't even get fans at the Big East tourney. They just aren't a draw.
As for the ACC and UConn, Boston College is blocking them to retaliate for the lawsuit when BC left the Big East in 2003.
"If you have the right to be offended I have the right to offend you." - Ricky Gervais
It has nothing to do with "drawing fans". The Big East leadership, including Mike T, never figured out modern TV and were way to loyal to the antiquated ESPN model they built the conference on.
Rutgers brings us recruiting access to NJ which produces a lot of talent. Also, UCONN is not only a weaker school than Rutgers academically, but it is not an AAU member. The ACC chose a city school located in a medium sized media market over them.
The B1G Ten doesn't care who actually has more fans in NYC. They care about three things: First and most important, they care about forcing certain markets to make the B1G network part of the standard cable package. Secondly, they care about the AAU status. Third they care about recruiting. It doesn't matter who is the most popular school, it matters if they can convince the cable providers that it is important to add the market to the standard package.
On a related note, but worth mentioning, I have lived in Manhattan for 8 years. I can attest (albeit anecdotaly) 100% that the actual city of New York likes more Syracuse and UConn than Rutgers. I can also attest that withing actual NYC, the Mets and the Yankees are about a 50/50 split (and thats the Yankess, the all-time winningest team in the history of sports). However, withing the NYC TV market, or MSA, the Yankees are about a 80-20 favorite. Why do I mention this? Because NJ is, by population, the largest market and NJ loves the Yankees (Long Island loves the Mets, FWIW). Yes, everyone makes fun of NJ, but the truth is they are the ones who drive the NYC market. That's simply the reality, and so I am totally positive that for the TV MSA market, Rutgers is more popular than UConn.
This post was edited by Binford4State 13 months ago
OP, check out the BTN's deals with cable companies. Rutgers brings NJ and large portions of NY.
laconophilia is everywhere...
I posted a while back where Nate Silver didn't think it made numerical sense. This combined with the "watered down product" from the fan's perspective leads me to think this was a poor decision.
The addition of Rutgers and Maryland are perfect examples of the B1G picking the low hanging fruit. I'm smart enough to know that this is just another step in Delany's master plan for world domination.
Who should the big Ten gotten? Cincy and Louisville?
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The ACC didn't take UConn because they can get UConn whenever they want. The Big Ten won't take them and there's no other conference that is close geographically.
Not sure why I care what the guy who set the table for the destruction of the Big East has to say.
Why did they take Louisville then?
No, it was the last commissioner, John Marrineto, who fucked things up.
Nate Silver's methodology for determining how many football fans each school had was donkey-brained.
according to a 2011 NYT poll, RU has the most college football fans in the NYC TV market.
Nobody thinks that RU is gonna make NYC a big10 city, but RU, PSU, UM, and OSU are all in the top10 in terms of # of fans in the NYC market. UCONN is barely above UM.
I'm bullish on Rutgers. I love their approach and wanting to be in the conference. Long term they will be a great fit and addition.
It must suck to be a UCONN fan. I was looking for UCONN message boards the other day, and I found a popular one "The Boneyard" that has it's own board for conference re-alignment.
We really should have started one for tJYD.
These moves are about TV sets and football, not basketball. I have lived in NYC for the past 9 years. When Rutgers fields a decent team their fans come out. I have even seen non-sports bars such as WXOU in the West Village packed with Rutgers fans watching their team on the one 30" set in the corner of the bar.
This post was edited by State1995 13 months ago
Rutgers has a good size message board on rivals. I was a little bit surprised at that.
You should check out The Sabre for Virginia. One of shittiest message boards I have read.
Because the Big 12 was looking at Louisville.
Tranghese was the commissioner from 1990 to 2009. He oversaw the expansion into two untenable groups (basketball/football) and the Big East brand diluting into a giant conference without any good football teams. He expanded the basketball brand when the football brand was the only thing that could make enough money to keep the league together.
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