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How is it fair when Bama can sign 120 players over a 5 year period and a B1G team is only signing 95, that is a HUGE difference. 20% more players to pick from to field your starting 22. All of a sudden, if that "blue chip" turns out to be a bust, the 5* gets kicked out of school and your starting RB blows out his knee, you've got scholarship caliber backups. In the B1G, you have to turn to a walk-on or a freshman.
The B1G either needs to act like an SEC team (over sign, medical hardships, etc.) or really push the NCAA to actually enforce their own rules.
I mean, UGA has 30(!) commits this year and aTm has 32(!!). Bama had 12(!) medical hardships from 2008-2010. The average for the other 120+ schools, 1.18. How is that even possible?
As for JUCOs, the Big Ten requires additional math credits that the SEC doesn't. This disqualifies most of the 'instant' impact type JCUOs. Hell, Auburn is a dumpster fire and they won a natty because of Newton and Fairley who were both JUCOs.
The Big Ten needs to get off its high horse. We have a ton of football factory schools in this conference just like the SEC does.
Also, the big ten requires their football players to attend classes.
Don't post poop!
time to use all that money we got by adding RU and MD and start paying players.
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
Or, the NCAA needs to step up and quit being pussies. The SEC style treats the athletes as cattle, not students.
I agree with the OP. The B1G needs to let its schools compete with the SEC. The SEC is playing by the rule book...the B1G makes its members play by a more difficult set of rules.
Thats the point. The NCAA doesnt give a shit about any of this, so why should the Big Ten?
And the B1G needs to hire away all the SEC official and fire their current officials. Although the SEC officials did miss a pretty obvious helmet to helmet on a defenseless player call.
This!The NCAA needs to have uniformrules regarding this across all BCS conferences.
How this is not a done deall already with the SEC dominance is beyond me.
What is even MORE perplexing is why the AD's aren't complaining about this.
You very rarely hear about this in the media and it is such a huge advantage for the SEC.
The SEC thrives in the gray area that isn't addressed by current rules. For example, the SEC was very good at getting a doctor to claim a kid was learning disabled, thereby making it so that he didn't need to qualify per NCAA standards (that is being phased out slowly). Same goes for "processing" underperforming players and oversigning...there is no rule against it, and if they have enough talented recruits to come in and replace those guys, they do it. The "bump" rule was created because Nick Saban would happen to "bump into" a football recruit at a HS basketball game during the no contact period.
The B1G is crazy to impose any additional requirements on top of what the NCAA does, that should change as well, but it's a self inflicted disadvantage.
Exactly. Minus well advocate recruiting violations.
To the OP, why is it so important to you that you can puff out your chest and say that your favorite school plays in a better conference than some other schools?
Fuck asking the B1G to get off it's high horse. When we put winning above all semblances of integrity, we've lost more than some football game.
I would much rather the NCAA enforce the rules on the SEC than the B1G go against its morals and start acting like the SEC. More conferences acting like the SEC would take away from the things that make college football so much better than the NFL.
"Play by SEC rules" = cut corners and/or flat out cheat
How did Ohio State, who operated as an SEC program in the Big Ten for the better part of a decade, do against Florida and LSU employing that strategy?
Big 12 has oversigned for years as well and the SEC still beats their asses routinely. Agree on oversigning, but the NCAA is eventually phasing that out.
Big 10 doesn't have as many football factories or kids available to recruit as the southern schools do, which is another one of the Big 10's reasons to expand into places like the tidewater region and Georgia. More of a recruiting base = better talent coming in = better programs
This post was edited by Lunchables 19 months ago
Do you always just recycle threads from SpartanMag and the Main Board?
Yes you do.
Imagine if MSU had 4 QB's competing for that starting role over the summer 2012. The question is, would Maxwell be on medical hardship right now?
Another thing, by redshirting most of your class, it does commit a large number of schollies to just sit on the bench. How much RSing goes on in the SEC top programs?
You're like the guy sitting in the corner of the room telling everyone who is having a good time they shouldn't be doing that, while everyone else is busy not giving a shit.
You are seriously seriously fooling yourself if you think the Big Ten isn't full of football factories. The NCAA and the media do not give a single fvck about the 'high horse' so why should we?
If I think it is a very good topic, then yes. Also, I didnt see this topic on this board, how is it recycling?
Because we "do not give a single fvck" about the media and the NCAA?
"The RCMB on 247 is one of the most awful, alarming, inappropriate, disgusting, and offensive msg boards in the history of the internet."
So by not giving a single fvck about the NCAA or media, means we should impose more self-regulation on ourselves?
Just busting your chops.
Very solid post. The SEC has become really good at finding loopholes that allow their programs to attain advantages. That's pretty much how oversigning came to be. Then it was OK for Cam Newton's dad to shop Cam instead of Cam shopping himself because parents discussing payments/benefits was not addressed in NCAA rules. Bump rule, dead period, etc. This league has some good lawyers behind the scenes who know the NCAA rules in and out and where the vague parts lie. I wouldn't be surprised once oversigning is phased out if SEC schools start actively recruiting players from probation-hit programs because they will be allowed to go over (perhaps well over) 85 scholarships and get the eligible players the coming fall - a loophole the NCAA willingly opened themselves with the Penn State situation.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Lunchables 19 months ago
Ohio State didn't really operate as an "SEC" program, despite JT being a bit of a scumbag.
They weren't doing anything that makes the SEC better than the rest, like oversigning, so not sure that your point make sense.
P.S. Every school in the B1G is a football factory, to some degree, even Northwestern. Teams like MSU, UM, OSU, etc. have plenty of smart, capable kids on their teams who are doing real academic work, but many more who are no different than the FB players in the SEC. They take part in joke academic programs designed only to keep them eligible.
Biggest joke in the world is that B1G institutions actually require "real" academic work from all their football players.
Might as well just admit it and jump into playing by the SEC's rules completely.
This post was edited by CorndogsJackie 19 months ago
You will have to prove this to me before I buy in.
There are certainly bigger jokes out there.
Eh, don't have any "proof," just personal observations from time spent at a few B1G institutions, and i've generalized about everyone else as a result.
And...i'm ok with it.
The way we treat a few football players doesn't impact on the academic reputation of a university, so i don't really care what they do, to be frank.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CorndogsJackie 19 months ago
No, I meant that it was the biggest joke out there. I've seen some pretty big ones.
This is why the goal for our team is to win the Rose Bowl. Anything more than that is just out of the question.
Players play, tough players win.
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