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I don't think that is it at all. I don't think anyone expects Illinois or Minnesota to be at the level of Ohio State. Yet I do think they should be on the level of Ole Miss, Mississipi State, or Vandy. That was Meyer's whole point. It's also not "you must work harder." No, it's we need to come up with ways to better promote our conference and better tactics in recruiting. As I have stated before, the SEC was not the all powerful conference they are today just 10 years ago. Yet they put a ton of effort and money into improving how they recruit, which also includes a ton of effort and money into the coaches they get and retain.
It's just asinine to say "hey, we are doing out best, leave us alone." No successful person anywhere does that. Even the very best at something always challenges themselves, and the ones that want to be the best certainly don't accept 2nd best (and that would be a very kind representation of the Big 10 vs. other conferences).
Hey Mother-Fucker...I'm a band GEEK, not a band DORK... I didn't hang out with the band dorks. They all had an odd smell and liked to eat their own boogers.
So again... does stepping on an athletic field, court, rink, etc (at any point in life) make you a better person in your world?
The RANT is a Romper Room for Degenerates - jwe
How much time must you spend on these sites daily to accumulate 40,000 posts? Serious question.
Maybe this is why you guys recruit so well... Shit, I need to quit my everyday life and start learning from this guy.
I have nothing to add in that discussion, I'm just here because of my best bud Wag-gon-Boy
Wait, what? You've gone from psychoanalyzing someone to not understanding a sentence? You realize you're crazy right? Bat shit crazy son.
Enjoy those halftime shows, I need a hot dog. I'm out. I am glad you did admit football is not a big deal. Thats step one son, step one. I hope you don't fall back again.
JTFC! How in the holy fuck do you have nearly 40,000 posts? Your board sucks ass! Do you have conversations with yourself about recruits?
Also... I wasn't trying to be funny... I was trying to be honest. I really didn't understand what he meant.
Good night friend... I'll find you tomorrow and we can rap... K?
Didn't you get the memo? MSU can only get recruits if OSU gives them permission.
Btw that game in 2011 when MSU beat OSU in the horseshoe was thrown by OSU as well.
It isn't that you couldn't have.. you're missing the point. The kid wasn't highly touted and no big schools were after him. My point was an OSU staff member sold MSU on HIM. Not vice versa.
Okay, well the clueless idiot schtick has run its course. Time to put your depends on and get back to bed gramps. Night.
Go look at the in-state rankings. I'll do this quick then I gotta get some zzzzzzs.
Top 4 talent producing states in the SEC(Note: not counting Texas since TAMU just joined; that would REALLY blow your mind): # of in-state 5 and 4-stars
Alabama: 2 5-stars, 12 4-stars
Louisiana: 1 5-star, 12 4-stars
Georgia: 4 5-stars, 23 4-stars
Florida: 6 5-stars, 44 4-stars
Total for the top 4 SEC states: 13 5-stars, 91 4-stars
Top 4 talent producing states: Big 10 Footprint
Illinois: 1 5-star, 9 4-stars
Ohio: 20 4-stars
Pennsylvania: 3 5-stars, 9 4-stars
Michigan: 8 4-stars
4 state total: 4 5-stars, 46 4-stars
In short, the State of Florida alone produces as much, if not slightly more talent than the top 4 big 10 States combined and that's not even counting Texas with their 3 5-stars and whooping 51 4-stars.
Let's face facts people: there just isn't enough in-region talent to support more than 4-5 really good teams. Wonder why the SEC has 3 x the teams in the top 25? Add Texas' #s to their footprint and they have about 3 x the raw talent to draw from.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Do you have anything close to a source for this? Or was this "What Kurelic heard"?
this thread has led me to conclude that OSU fans are the absolute worst fans in America and worse than UM fans IMO.
Not that I will be rooting for either of them to do well but OSU fans are the worst.
It was so great of Urban Meyer to send him our way...
So THAT exact conversation took place then, huh? Nice of you to share such insider information with us. Can you kindly ask Coach Meyer to send us some more 2-star recruits that he doesn't have the time for? Really would make our fanbase's job a bit easier and then perhaps we wouldn't be as embarrassed with our lowly recruiting class.
My point is that it's the school, not the coach, that gets their foot in the door. Meyer is a special exception given his pedigree, but who the heck was JT before he went to tOSU from Youngstown? I think his first class was ranked #5 nationally or something like that.
For that matter, who the heck is Brady Hoke? That's not a "name" coach. He's a big time energy guy and gets guys excited about UM, no doubt, but he's not a rockstar coach. The UM brand gets him in the door, then he can do his thing.
The rest of the Big 10 doesn't have the "name" yet to open those doors.
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37,797 posts and all of them as funny as this one I bet. Got any more great ones to share with us here?
MSU was clearly his best offer. He wasnt on anyone else's radar.
OSU had nothing to do with it. If anything the fact that coach d is from Ohio helped. BTW without coach D OSU doesn't have a national championship either.
The butthurt and stupidity in this thread is incredible. Urban wants the rest of the B1G to step up recruiting because our conference right now outside of OSU and somewhat Michigan is a total joke. Are you guys ok with the rest of the conference going something like 6-6 every year, losing to some crap MAC team or even an FCS team then getting your asses handed to you in the worthless bowl you go to? The fact that the B1G is horrible hurts OSU due to hurting our SOS and national perception so that's why Urban wants the rest of the conference to step it up.
The B1G had 2 of the top 10 recruiting classes while the majority of the rest were the SEC. Now it's not like every team in the conference has even a tiny shot at winning the NC but at least they try, unlike most of the B1G who seems totally fine with getting their asses beat. Look at Iowa, they field a competitive team every 4 or 5 years, get killed the rest of the time and Kirk Ferentz is treated as some sort of genius when his team is usually horrible. If the B1G wants any shot of taking OSU or Michigan down in the next few years they are going to have to step their game up, or they can just lay down like they usually do, get a random upset here or there but mostly get destroyed.
Urban's philosophy puts getting great players as priority #1. Not coaching, not Xs and Os, but great players, and that's one reason he is so successful. Of course not everyone can recruit as well as OSU because schools like Minnesota don't have the brandname or exposure that OSU does but then again it's not like they're some tiny community college with no hope of convincing anyone decent to go there, but most of the conference seems to have this attitude that they can just plod along and everything will be fine. That simply won't and hasn't worked and we've seen the results of that attitude as the B1G has slipped further and further into mediocrity. Accept mediocrity and that's what you'll get.
Whining about Urban actually introducing some fire and competitiveness into the conference won't get you anywhere. Want to beat OSU and shut him and those OSU fans up that you hate so much? Time to quit making excuses and go get good coaches who are great recruiters, bring good talent in and then you'll start to see results. That's what Urban does, he hires coaches not by how well they coach, but by how well they recruit because that's the most important thing in his mind and I don't think anyone can argue with him on that point. The rest of the conference whining about how Urban is too competitive or how he steals their recruits just shows how soft and pathetic they are and if they keep laying down like they have OSU is just going to steamroll them harder and harder every year because Urban never stops.
This one is the dimmest of them yet
Keep on dishing out the advice please!
You aren't getting it. MSU recruits GA relentlessly, especially Montravious Adams this past year. None of their stud recruits gave MSU the light of day; Adams came up here for the Spring game and that was about it.
I definitely think MSU has a ton to offer a 5-star kid, but come on man, you know as well as I do that the top out of state talent only goes to national powers. Not saying MSU should stop trying to attract it, I'm just not going to be upset as a fan when they don't come.
Go peruse our recruiting board and look at some of the names with MSU offers. Adams, Anzalone, Matt Rolin, Kyle Bosch, Ethan Pocic, Elijah Daniels . . . all high 4 or 5-stars that MSU really worked hard on. There are many many more.
FWIW, MSU had as many commits from Florida as they did MI this year (3).
This was the response I was waiting for, thank you.
I'm not saying that other Big10 staffs don't work hard, I just think Meyer takes it to another level, maybe I am wrong... who knows.
Henderson is a complete stud; if MSU lands him, which I am confident you will, that is a HUGE get.
I don't see MSU below Braska OR PSU. As of late, I think you are borderline there with UM, especially because Dantonio is a much better coach than Hoke.
Poaching we will have to agree to disagree on. Meyer would welcome any school to go after his recruits, just as he goes after theirs. He understands it is the nature of the business and would battle his ass off to keep his coveted stars.
I also agree on rankings being taken with a grain of salt. 1 of 3 recruits pan out and maximize their POTENTIAL, that is the fact of life. Some 3 stars, some 5 stars, it is just the way it is. Generally speaking 4-5 stars have higher potential than 3 stars. There are exceptions, of course, as with anything.
I am also ready for bed, so I apologize for the short response, but 6am comes early. I look forward to more intelligent conversation on the matter tomorrow.
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