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scUMs run to the Final Four has led to all kind of threads here about whether Michigan is "back", whether they have a "program" etc. Naturally the Ed Martin thing keeps coming up and hence another debate of whether they have 7 final fours, or 5 (not counting the ones vacated) and some even say 89 was tainted by Uncle Eddie and thus they have only 4. I will confess not to being an expert on it and wonder what those in the know actually think about it.
A. Michigan administration and coaches channeled money to Martin to give to players so they would go to Michigan
B. Uncle Eddie did it on his own to channel players to Michigan but got in trouble because he became a "booster"
C. Uncle Eddie gave money to players that were already at Michigan or committed to Michigan but not with the hook that they had to go there.
Or was it something else all together?
Not an expert, but from what I've read, it was B, and not A or C.
And I know I'm in the minority on this, but I really wish that if the seasons and victories were "vacated" because they were gotten by breaking the rules, that the media were compelled to mention that every time they bring up 1992 and/or 1993. You know, like the way they brought up Nix's weight every time they talked about his progress and development. Kinda like you have to use "alleged" when someone is charged, but not yet convicted. they shouldn't simply be able to say "it's their first trip to the FF since 1993". It would need to be "their first trip to the FF since the vacated visit in 1993".
The taint is there. The banners are not hanging in Crisler. They are in a drawer in Crisler, and the guys who "won" them were persona non grata at Michigan athletic events for at least 10 years. The taint should have to be mentioned if the wins are mentioned.
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There's a guy here who has some files. Not sure when he gets access to a computer in the library of the institution though. .
It's been beaten to death. The one point about it bothers me is Why did Michigan Basketball wake up in 1990-1991 or so and decide to start cheating less than a year after winning a national title?
Ed Martin ran an illegal lottery system (at least) in Ford plants of Detroit. That's where the money ultimately came from. He was a Michigan fan, but probably was also a bookie and involved in the mob (they don't like people making illicit money on their turf without a cut). A lot of money was involved...more than likely more than the 615,000 or whatever that came out in the Fab Five stuff. Who knows beyond that....How long, and how involved he was in college basketball and gambling may never be known. Things have come out since about the '89 team being on the take (nobody was really surprised) and corruption in the program stretching all the way back to Johnny Orr possibly. I doubt he was paying the kids only for access to the Michigan program, or because he "cared" about their upbringing as Jalen Rose contends.
I doubt this will happen, but Weber's gag order expires sometime this year. He should write a book...and not a slap-fest Mitch Albom feature...but a real inside look...most people can see through the fluff anyway. I'd have more respect him if he just came out and told all.
A lot of crazy, but somehow plausible tin foil hat theories on the "time out" game too, and gamblers involvement with that.
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B with a conditional. Eddie may have did it on his own but there were people in the know at UM about what was going on. Perry Watson (who supplied Martin with his prime seats) was the middleman for a lot of the transactions. Fisher either had a strong idea what was going on or was the most clueless human being on Earth.
Mitch wrote a bullshit article about how this UM team could be more remarkable than the Fabs. No shit, Mitch. These guys haven't been proven to having accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from a mobster.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
Some coaches have refined the talent of looking the other way.
The only thing that bothers me about u of m going back to FF is that I keep hearing "it is there first trip to the FF in over 20 years" and not a single mention of it being their first FF in almost 40 years without getting there by CHEATING.
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I think the cheating went all the way back to the Bill Frieder days. It is possible that Frieder and Fisher both were unaware of what was going on, but I doubt it. Didn't Heathcote complain that it was impossible to compete if you didn't cheat? If he (and Bobby Knight) knew what was going on, Frieder and Fisher also had to know. Frieder went on to ASU and had to resign there after a point-shaving scandal.
B is the closest. He was basically an underworld figure that leached onto many junior high and high school players as they came up in Detroit. Many didn't go anywhere, but a few went on to college/pros.This did not start with the Frauds, but in the early 80's. Frieder was complicit in giving him initial access to the program, and when Fisher hired Watson they kept up the status quo. Canham and Bo did their best Sargent Schultz impersonations, which kept the money flowing to the players for 15+ years.
Many Walverines will try and explain it away that he gave money to players that went to other colleges, so he wasn't a UM booster. What they'll leave out is that no other school gave Uncle Ed tickets to their games, let him stay in hotel rooms that were reserved for their traveling contingent (as Michigan did), and he did not have players over to his house when they were on their official recruiting visit unless it was to UM.
Yeah, there's no way that something that pervasive and major went completely unnoticed by anybody in the program. The folks in charge were probably just hoping that nobody outside of the program would discover it, because the Michigan athletic department surely wasn't taking any steps to distance themselves from Uncle Ed.
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Ed Martin was a terrorist who enjoyed raping women and paying Michigan basketball players on the side. At night he moonlighted as a Somali pirate. According to my sources it was he who planned 9/11.
Back to Johhny Orr (but Frieder was around for that as an assistant).
Guy gave Michigan players over 615,000 to go to UofM. There is no doubt in my mind that all of these players were paid in the fab 5. I know people that saw Rose and friends flaunting MONSTER amounts of cash in Ann Arbor during those years. It happened after as well and there is much suspension that is happened during their 1989 title run. Do I think the administration knew? There is no doubt they had to know something was up. If students in Ann Arbor knew then the ADept either knew or was completely stupid. I don't think UofM was directly involved.
Michigan basketball during the late 80's to early 90's, nearly a decade, was one of the biggest cesspools in sports, and if you don't think so you don't like obvious, blatant evidence. Third biggest shit storm behind PSU and SMU.
Michigan State University is the university of Michigan
Bill was a former HS coach in the state of Michigan and would have known of Fast Eddie. The guy didn't hide and gave stuff to a lot of bball players in the city.
Gary grant early 80s player would show off the "car" he got for playing at um at parties around detroit. so it goes back a lot further than the fraud five.
That's something I don't get either. When MSU played Minnesota in January the announcers kept hyping Minnesota's first top ten ranking sine the 80's when in fact they were top 10 in 1997.....a season that has since been wiped from the books by the NCAA due to sanctions. If a vacated season isn't acknowledged for one school why are Michigan's?
Martin goes back to 1982 and the recruitment of Antoine Joubert. Hell, didn't Terry Mills say something about being introduced to Martin in 1986? Fisher hiring Perry Watson was a way to make sure Martin was on the inside of the program and probably a way to better control him and direct the payments.
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To this day I don't understand why a comprehensive book has not been written about this.
I've written tons of times on here about the gambling aspect of Ed Martin, involvement with organized crime, competing gambling rackets fixing the NC game etc etc etc
Not going to get into all of it now, but a few things to ponder.....
1. How come no scum player was ever charged with income tax evasion? Did they pay taxes on said money?
2. Why no book? Has it been lack of cooperation OR threats from um people and their backers?
When the fraud five story first started breaking, a family friend was involved. A VERY well known media figure warned her after an interview to.........."be careful, you don't know what these people are capable of."
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Same guy that sent everyone to the court house in Grand Rapids prolly
I should have said well known AND RESPECTED.
Webber was and had to pay a $100,000 fine.
Duh, because they're Meeeeeechigan.
Pretty sure it went even farther back to the Johnny Orr regime to include the 1989 NC...which most likely would have been vacated too except for the statute of limitations.
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