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with the laser focus, there were a lot of HS players who had high expectations going in college that didn't hold up (The nicest way I can say bust), chief among them Kelvin Torbert and Marquise Grey. Perhaps some would include Drew Naymick in this discussion, I wouldn't because I think his defense was so outstandingly good it made up for his lack of any sort of offense, but not quite a 5* career.
Antonio Jeremiah takes the cake for recent football busts though. "The Human Eclipse"
He developed great business skillz that more than make up up for his "missed" last two years of college
He has something in common with Richard Branson.
Tolbert was a 'one and done' to the idiot 'national' pundits. Anybody from Michigan who followed high school ball, knew this was a joke. As stated earlier, he was outstanding as a freshman in hs. He was built like Lebron at 15 years of age. I don't believe he should be penalized for being overrated by national morons. He was a solid 4 year starter.
Torbert was supposed to be the next Jordan
What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...
Have a buddy who officiated a few West Bloomfield games, when he was a junior. He said "there was Kyle Brown speed, and then there is everyone else."
How can Marcus Taylor not be the biggest bust ever? The "next Magic Johnson" was mediocre at best. Torbert had less hype and was a much bigger contributor to the team. By his senior season KT was a lock down defender and could even shoot a little bit.
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Like I said, he was insanely fast, but WB football has been shit for decades and it's not like he was bringing us any wins when he was here, he just stood out as the fast kid amongst the rest of the slow unathletic kids, not really as a star player by any means. This is going a ways back into my memory, but there was more hype for him as a track star than a football player at WB, that says a lot.
He led the Big Ten in scoring and assists his sophomore year and did win a Big Ten title and go to a Final Four, albeit as a freshman. He just made a bad decision to turn pro.
Torbert had less Hype than Taylor? What were you watching? The hype on Kelvin was beyond crazy, don't get me wrong he earned it through his HS career and never had a realistic chance at ever reaching it.
Taylor for his bad decision did not disappoint in his 2 yrs at MSU. But, his hype was not close to Torberts. Kelvin was a better version of J Rich as a college player according to many. Pretty much as the best player to come through Flint since Glen Rice.
I'd say Taylor lived up to expectations, he just left prematurely.
I guess it depends on your definition of bust.
I wouldn't say Torbert had "less hype" either. Taylor simply had a longer period of hype behind him.
Um, then let me modify my post: he thought he was pretty effing exceptional as a FOOTBALL PLAYER. He tore his ACL as a senior, so all his gaudy FOOTBALL STATS are from his earlier years. Despite his injury , he was a highly sought after recruit. He was a solid player for MSU, despite his injury. And I think the fact that he played for the Washington Redskins may underscore the fact that he could play football.
Shit, I may have only seen him play after the ACL tear, wasn't aware of that.
But seriously, this is a thread about flops, probably not a good idea to get so fucking offended, and let's not forget that he didn't actually play a down for Washington.
This post was edited by J_LaP 12 months ago
Sam McGuffie wasn't a bust for MSU. He was awesome for us, just not so much the team he actually played for.
Isiah Dalhman may not be the biggest bust but he's in the mix
Ryan Van Dyke for FB.
Isiah wasn't a bust. He showed promise as a freshman but then Allen, Lucas and Summers came in and he just fell out of the rotation. It kinda sucked for him but shit happens and he could of transferred and done pretty well at another school but he stuck it out and graduated with a final four ring. He is also the best high school basketball player in the history of Minnesota.
Well , you insinuated that Brown wasn't much of a football player at West Bloomfield(flop thread) and I just wanted to point out that your opinion seemed strange. Ok?
Are you stoned? "Best high school basketball player in the history of Minnesota"..........Even if you were from Minnesota, most folks would want to see you drug tested. Isiah scored alot of points; yes. He is 3rd in state history. But he also played for a smaller division, so lets keep that in perspective.
The best player in the state this past year, Tyus Jones, may well be one of the best EVER produced from the state of Minny. But having said that, it seems to be an injustice to not mention names like: Kevin McHale, Randy Breuer,Sam Jacobsen, Khalid El Min, Joel Przylbilla,Nick Horvath,Rick Rickert, Kris Humphries, and Jordan Taylor. These guys were all pretty awesome at the high school level , and continued to impress at a high level in college, and half of them in the pros. And these are just the names that I'm familiar with!
And I almost forgot another one: Alan Anderson
And one other thing: if he was all that, at MSU, there is no way Allen or Summers were going to immediately get him placed on the bench. The fact is, he was probably more suited for a mid major school, like his brother. There's nothing wrong with that.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by 99andmunnstank 12 months ago
It says on his msu basketball profile that he had the most points in Minnesota basketball history, i would think that would make him their greatest player in history. But to answer your original question, yes.
This post was edited by Duke Silver 12 months ago
Antonio Gates. The future hall of famer, yeah that one!
This post was edited by AllSloppyNoJoe 12 months ago
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