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Kugler was a weird and brief recruitment. The dude was reputedly an MSU fan as a kid, said that he was going to take his time with all his visits and then committed to UofM a day after an unofficial visit with them...on the same day he was supposed to visit EL. I have no idea what level of BS they hit him with to chuck his whole recruitment away so quickly, but it worked.
France may have been hurt this year but he regressed this year significantly (how many ole blocks did he throw that got Maxwell drilled) and Burkland was not impressive either.
France didn't really regress imo, he's just inconsistent. He had a hell of a game against Nebraska, basically completely shut down Eric Martin who was on fire. He was pretty decent vs. Wisconsin too considering he was playing on a bum knee.
Has been happening for a long time. Plenty of skilled players recruited, but just can't find the linemen - Flozell Adams is about the only one I can really think of. (Joe DeLamielure - sp)
Oh yeah, Mandarich
That doesn't make you solid in your second year of starting (and it isn't one brain fart a game). France is just bad at pass protection and even against Minny was blown up by D-ends all season. That gets your QB killed and kills drives. We have Rouchar drive killer we don't need a tackle helping helping out.
What a joke of a thread. Even when healthy this is not a top 6 line in the conference. The only thing more maddening is the imbecile at OC that insists on running behind the line in short yardage situations.
If Jackson can come back, anchor the line, make the reads and stay healthy; I think the line will be much improved. There will be experienced options at almost all line positions and some new bodies ready to join the fray.
Jackson, imho, is the key. Does anyone know how he is doing? Injury sounded pretty bad.
Totally agree. Excuse makers suck
Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.
We haven't really gotten the chance to find that out considering this line hasn't even been fully healthy for the past two years.
More optamism with little to go on
This thread could be repeated for the last 3 years and all we get is crap line play
Until I see it, I will expect nothing but the same
You can make injury excuse all you want, but bottom line is our oline stinks
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Good summary....I would say we haven't had a decent OL in atleast 6-8 years but having MD's recruits hasn't improved the MAC level OL much injuries or not.
+1 to balance out the -1 that one of chicken shit brigade gave you.
youngblood96/viggo martyr/jargon: tRCMB's answer to Vidkun Quisling and Fred Phelps.
Or people realize the the rushing offense since MD has gotten to MSU hasn't really gotten better, even with some pretty good running backs.
NCAA rushing offensive rank for MSU since MD has gotten here:
MSU has never been in the top half of the country in rushing yards, even with the likes of Ringer and Bell in the backfield. That is a pretty big knock on the offensive line.
Thanks for the facts. Rogue is stewing.
Total rushing stats can be a bit deceiving based on the differences in offense and the skillset of the players. For example, so many teams have running QBs who rack up a ton of additional rushing yards scrambling on pass plays. Those yards aren't really a testament to the run blocking ability of the offensive line. If you take away the rushing yards of the QBs in the Big ten, MSU moves up from 7th in rushing yards to 3rd in the conference.
Also, on a yards per carry basis, MSU has actually been about a full .1 yards per carry better than they were last year when defenses actually had to worry about our passing attack. Not bad considering how beat up the line is and how teams have stacked the box knowing how we struggle to pass the ball.
2007: 25th nationally, 198 yards per game on the ground.
Nice of you to leave off the most successful year when making your point.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Can't understand why MD is ok with this. For 2, 3 maybe even 4 years I could see him thinking they're still building the foundation, but crap, they're 6 years in and it's the same sad scene.
Those were JLS players
You could argue that having their best performance in year 1, with another coach's recruits is more of an indictment of the OL coaching/recruiting than the stats he listed. Makes it look like their methods are the problem.
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Big problem were early recruiting misses in '07 and '08, and the injuries that screwed up the '09 class (Barrent's back, Conway's neck, Klatt's foot).
MSU recruited 9 OL between 2007 and 2008. Woods, Deyo and Dumphord transferred. Ray Jr. had cancer. Heuter retired from football.
Of the rest, Foreman and McDonald were starters, McGaha didn't do jack, Ruhland is a serviceable back-up.
Those 2 classes should have been the foundation of the '11 and '12 teams. They washed out. Factor in the '09 injuries and the coaches early recruiting involved a lot of failure. The "normal" breakdown is 1/3 of your players are starters/stars, 1/3 depth and 1/3 wash out. MSU's OL from '07 to '09 were over 50% washouts.
MSU's OL struggled during the 2012 season both in pass protection and run blocking and there were several reasons for this.
Injuries - 2 OL starters suffered season ending injuries (Fou Fonoti and Travis Jackson) and others missed games due to injuries (Blake Treadwell, Dan France, and Skyler Burkland).
Inexperience - RS Fr. Jack Allen started at OG and OC because of injuries at those positions (Jackson and Treadwell). RS FR. Donavon Clark started at left OT due to an injury to Dan France and to Michael Dennis. RS Soph Skyler Burkland started at right OT due to Fonoti's season ending injury. Scout Team True Fr. OT Kodi Kieler suffered a season ending broken leg.
Constant Missed Blocking Assignments - Some of this can be attributed to inexperience and shuffling with no continuity on the OL but some of this responsibility is on the coaching staff (Staten & Roushar).
Power Running Game ? - The OL seemed to lack explosiveness in the running game, especially at the point of attack and lack of agility in pass protection. Is this an S & C issue ?
Here's a look at the returning O-Linemen for 2013 :
Travis Jackson - Season ending injury really hurt the OL continuity since he is a good athlete and does a good job making the blocking adjustment calls for the OL at the line of scrimmage.
Jack Allen - Pressed into service due to injuries at OG and OC. His inexperience showed but he did do some good things. Long-term, his best position is OC.
Kyle Lints - Scout Team OC.
Donavon Clark - Started 2 games at left OT due to injuries. Long-term, his best position is OG.
Blake Treadwell - Will stay at OG but could also backup at OC. (May transfer to Miami, OH as a 5th year Sr. to play for his dad where he would almost certainly be guaranteed a starting spot since the competition for interior OL starting spots at MSU in 2013 will be intense. Depends on where he stands with graduation credits).
Connor Kruse - Backup at OG or OC.
Nate Klatt - Injuries have slowed his development but could backup at OG and OC.
Benny McGowan - Has looked good on the Scout team especially as a run blocker. Will battle to get into the 2-deeps at OG.
Zach Higgins - Scout Team OG.
Fou Fonoti - Will start somewhere on the OL in 2013 either at OT or OG.
Dan France - Has never showed the blocking consistency needed at left OT. Could be challenged by Fou or Skyler Burkland during Spring practice.
Skyler Burkland - Injuries have slowed his development but he is the most physically gifted of MSU's O-Linemen. Will start somewhere on the 2013 OL.
Michael Dennis - HS TE still learning to play OT at this level. Looks the part and passes the eyeball test. Just needs to put it all together.
Henry Conway - Injuries have put his football future in question.
Shawn Kamm - Scout Team OL.
Jack Conklin - Has looked good on the Scout team. His skill in pass blocking has been a pleasant surprise.
Kodi Kieler - Suffered a season ending broken leg.
Dennis Finley - Will be red-shirted.
Way too early to project the starting OL for 2013 but things will become clearer during Spring practice when some position changes may occur.
CBD, Treadwell has a starting spot locked up at OG for MSU; Clark would be the only other option there, as Allen certainly struggled and McDonald is gone. Treadwell transferring is about the last thing I'd expect at this point, but I suppose we should learn not to be surprised by anything at this point.
Wouldn't be a complete surprise. There is some talk. No final decision imminent. Could depend on where he will stand credit-wise for graduation.
I flipping hope so.
Thanks for the update. Any word specifically on Klatt? I know he broke is foot around August 2011 but since then almost no news about him....sucks to hear about Kieler as he is 1 of the 3 tackles it looks like we will have signed in the last 2 recruiting classes.
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