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I'm not chest beating about the offense. You don't even understand the shape of the conversation let alone high level football discussion. That's how useless this conversation is.
They will be better on December 28th than they were all season and hopefully so will our passing attack.
lineman(sic) get injured just as much as what ? you don't know anything about it.
Somewhat random bump, but living down here in Central KY, I was curious as to what actually happened to Chase Dumphord. A search led me to his Facebook profile -- on which he lists that he graduated from State -- "Class of 2011 -- Counseling Psychology".
That's news to me. I had always heard that he left campus quickly due to being home sick.
We can only go up from here.
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It hasn't been good in a long time, haven't seen any changes to tell me it will improve.
We will have our most veteran line since 2007 in 2013. That's the biggest news of all
Dumphord did leave transfered/released from his scholarship to go to Georgetown college in KY.
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Basically with the OL I'm in 'I'll believe it when I see it mode'.
Please don't start this again. Same BS they said going into '12, "4 out of 5 returning, best OL since MD took over".
Doesn't matter how veteran they are if they can't freaking stay healthy. I don't believe it's a talent issue, or even a coaching issue (except maybe S&C?). The injuries are ridiculous.
I won't throw Dan or Tyler under the bus but.....they both need to improve DRASTICALLY at tackle for us to win 9-10 games this season. If they play like they did last year we're looking at 7-8 wins IMO.
France wasn't that bad this year imo, except against ND and Wisconsin. Thought he handled TCU's beast DEs fairly well.
Who is Tyler?
Ditto. I put the koolaid down when it comes to the O in general.
The moment is eternal
An easy YES.
4 starters getting hurt was a huge hurdle.
Is MSU the only team that has injuries? If so, maybe S&C isn't doing the job.
Don't know why Gill left/wasn't retained, but IF Narduzzi felt he needed a better DL coach, you have a clear contrast between the standards on D and O. The DC raising the bar for his staff, while an OC who's first MSU O that was fully his, is ranked 104th of 120 teams and not a single coaching upgrade need be made.
It was good by November, and will be better next year.
As long as you maintain continuity, I think it can be good. Both in 2011 and 2012 the line improved quite a bit once the same starting 5 were on the field for multiple weeks.
On that level? Actually, yea. No other Big 10 team went through that level of OL injuries.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
And I love how injuries automatically become the fault of the S&C. It's fucking football. Guys get hurt. Did Adrian Peterson blow out his knee because he had a mediocre S&C program? If any moron wants to make the argument that Peterson got hurt because he wasn't in shape then let me be first in line to smack them.
Sometime injuries come in bunches. Sometimes we stay healthy (see 2010). That's just the breaks.
NO we aren't. But having 4 starters get knocked out, now we may have a case.
It's a ridiculous amount of leg injuries over two years though. Not really saying it's a S&C thing for sure but over the last two years:
Jackson (broken leg)
Fonoti (fracture in foot)
Treadwell (torn MCL)
Burkland (broken ankle)
Klatt (broken foot)
Kieler (broken leg)
That's kind of a ridiculous streak of bad luck.
Absolutely, but leg injuries are always a high risk on the line. Guys are getting hit in the legs at weird angles frequently. Just bad luck.
Please read carefully. I said IF MSU was the ONLY team w/ injuries than MAYBE there's an issue w/S&C.
Of course MSU isn't the only team w/ injuries, and bottom line using injuries is somewhat of an excuse, because it IS football and every team has them, every year, to one degree or another. The better teams are often better because the have the depth to play through them.
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