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Bell averaged 5.2 yards per carry against Nebraska and 4.8 yards per carry against Iowa.
It makes me sick that they didnt stick with the run in those games. Of course they also needed to mix up the play calls on the run. Mis-direction and develop a second running back...
I am sure that better players would help but they had good enough players to go at least 9-3 and even 10-2 IMO.
To me ND is he only team with more talent than them this year.
This post was edited by xwing 19 months ago
Those are pretty average numbers for a single game. They would have dropped had he run it more and the threat of the pass been taken away.
I was at the Iowa game in the rain and the cold.
MSU destroyed CMU on the ground and CMU beat Iowa.
Iowa was not a good football team this year. I said it in the beginning of the third quarter that MSU would not score another touchdown unless their defense got another turnover.
For some inexplicable reason MSU went away from the run In the second half when that was really the only thing working on offense.
It was painful to watch.
MSU dominated on the ground in many games this year. They won all of those games. It isn't rocket science.
@Bullough40, Wisconsin surprised them with some unbalanced, and lots of tricky wrinkles. Huskers tackling poorly on the edge.”
@Bullough40, Wisconsin with 391 yards in the first half, 290 on the ground.
UW has been running a ton of misdirection, motion, and disguised plays. Really creative play-calling, and that's with a ton of beef up front. Last TD totally had UN fooled, and in general the UN D has been on it's heels, mostly because they don't know what's coming. MSU, w/ a much weaker OL rarely showed this type of creativity, but when they did, it usually worked.
Why do you pretend to know stuff?
CF, I stand corrected, you should probably tell Max he's wrong about the "tricky wrinkles" though.
Oh, I saw it. Not sure how the OL would have any faith in themselves after Dantonio took them off the field against UM, Iowa and OSU in the same situation, leading to losses.
I doubt Dantonio actually trusted the OL there, he just realized he couldn't trust the defense to hold.
And I doubt they couldn't convert due to hurt feelings.
Power teams that can run the ball will ALWAYS dominate... BUT.... you have to have a good offensive line .. with a strength coach that emphasizes putting power in the legs .. and .. use a straight "blow them off the line" blocking scheme.. MSU fails on all three counts. Their O line absolutely is terrible and is really 90% the reason they failed so miserably this year to score points. The injuries to the O line made things worse but you wonder why is it that MSU gets so many O line injuries.. most all to the legs.. when teams like Wisky and scum barely get any over several years.. More to the point though.. I am really down on Mannie and his strength techniques and Dantonio or Staten or Roushar or whomever is responsible for the terrible blocking technique of hte Sparatans and that terrible "slide down the line" zone blocking technique. It is an utter failure.. just terrible.. awful.. totally ineffectual... and coupled with a very physically weak offensive line that NEVER gets push off the line NEVER pushes the D line back I(hear that Mannie??) it spells disaster. Don't give me any big running games the TB gets against inferior competition. When state goes up against the big boys they can 't run their way out of a paper bag.. and that is an indictment of the whole offensive mindset that seems to be with this team.
Still think the o line and bell were good enough to run the ball more effectively against teams in the big ten.
No one in the big ten has that great of a defense.
Just look at what the teams did not each other on the ground.
For some reason Bell is good enough to get drafted as a junior and play on Sundays and good enough to run the ball well enough in SOME games to impress the scouts but in other games totally disappears?
I think commitment to run the ball and a lack of "funny rinkles" as max Bullough called them (more diversified running plays) played a part in it.
If the quarterback and WRs sucked why didn't they run more heavy sets? They had a 290 lb fullback.
I don't pretend to know as much about football as you but my friend who calls offensive plays at A class a highschool didn't get why they didnt run more heavy sets with bell who is a large RB.
They did it against BSU in the first game but it seemed like Roushar spent a lot of time trying to get maxwell on track when i could tell after the ND game was probably not going to happen and never really did.
I know it is all hindsight and you may be right their OL just might suck but it seems like playcalling ("funny rinkles") and a commitment to run has been lacking since Roushar took over.
I am sure the continuity on the I line was really hurt by injury...
There's no doubt about it, most games are won in the trenches. If you can run the ball well and stop the run, you have a great chance of winning. Even against spread offenses, it starts with stopping the run and forcing them to move laterally while limiting their opportunities to touch the ball by controlling the clock on the ground.
That's all fine.
Can they get rid of some of the offensive coaches they have and bring someone in from one of these schools like Wisconsin who can teach these guys how to run block?
Maybe mannie doesn't teach good strength training for lineman?
It seems like they haven't really developed many good nfl offensive lineman in a while and it is concerning.
I will grant you that it is holding them back.
They are getting some quality recruits too.
It just doesn't seem like they are getting developed.
I remember during the nick Saban and even the bw and JLS years they were producing NFL offensive lineman.
I'm with you on the commitment to run observation.
In fact that was one of my biggest concerns following the loss to Iowa. Further, I agree that we needed to blindly pound the ball more than we did.
All that being said I can understand why Dantonio elected not to go for many of this season's key fourth-and-shorts.
Exactly. And remind me how many yards Wisco rushed for against us? 30?
How long has Mannie been at MSU? For people trying to blame him and then cite JLS lineman and what not, wasn't he here for that too?
It also helps to have quick backs. Lacy was fucking running up the middle quickly in the SEC Championship.
MSU needs to recruit the OL position better. Recruiting 2 star kids from Gull Lake and Plainwell is not going to cut it in the Big 10.
"This is the strangest life I've ever known"
Jim Morrison (1943-1971)
Two star kids like the four star from Iowa who hurt his back, the three star from Chicago who got cancer, Conway who hurt his neck, etc.
This post was edited by selande2 19 months ago
How long are we going to use the injury excuse? I mean if it was so bad they should have got some JUCO kids in here. We have had some misses like Nate Klatt. A four star Ohio kid who can't get on the field. Many thought he'd be an anchor at the center position from day 1. I also hate to burst the bubble on the myth of David Barrent. 4 star kid who MSU fans have made out to be the 2nd coming of Anthony Munoz. Why does the staff only have 1 OL recruit for this years class? Unacceptable I say. They offered a ton of guys and missed on all but Finley.
MSU still has a lot of four star guys on the o line and even three star guys who had lots of pub coming in (Jackson, Alen, and Clark come to mind).
Klatt, treadwell, and burkland are all 4 star guys.
Fonoti and France are both 3 stars.
All of the coaches said that last years o line was the most talented and athletic o line they had coming into the season.
Even with he injuries do they of the sudden get less talented and less athletic during he season?
I think things kind of snowballed on offense and the injuries didn't help.
I know they aren't getting Alabama and Wisconsin 4 and 5 star recruits but MSU are still getting better recruits than NW and Iowa.
I think it comes down to coaching, player development, and play calling.
Lacy's first step (and his 2nd and 3rd, etc) are forward...the OL isn't knocked into the backfield. In fact, for the most part, they actually pushed the defense back.
Far too often Bell has to sidestep before he even fully takes the handoff. From there, he's flat footed.
There was one instance in the Minny game where Bell just had a huge hole to go through. It was just about the only time all year i felt like that had happened. 90% of the time he has to run through a wall of lineman or somehow miraculously dance around and hope he squeaks out of there somehow. Our O-line is very poor at run blocking and it's a huge bummer because I love watching a team that can just cram the ball right down the other team's stupid face.
In all honesty our season was a complete failure regardless if Wisconsin even showed up today.
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