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The kid is over-rated. He has never played well against MSU and honestly hasn't played well against any quality big men.
Looks like another marginal big man in the NBA.
"Stats are for Losers." - Pat "Nardawg" Narduzzi
I think Nix is massively underrated by this fan base. He made a top 5 pick look like Tom Herzog.
That has nothing to do with it. I don't undervalue Nix at all. Zeller just isn't as good as advertised, and can't play against quality bigs.
unless and until Zeller learns to consistently knock down 15-18 foot jumpers, he is a waste. he will never be strong or explosive enough to play with his back to the basket, he is not a great rebounder, and he is not quick enough to play facing the basket without a jumper that forces his defender to guard him out to the arc. for my money the big goofy kid at Wisconsin (#40) is a better pro prospect at this point.
if Nix had a right hand shot he would be a monster on the low block.
I think we should take some of these people, and send 'em up to Bear Mountain for a picnic.
yeah...i've never understood the love for this kid. he's okay, but he's soft, a terrible defender, and a marginal offensive threat who only really scores within 5 feet of the basket. he can't shoot and disappears in big games with troubling consistency. He's got a lot of work to do to become an NBA level talent.
Zeller is better than he looked yesterday. But that game was a set back for his prospects. He didn't do well against a front line that at least in size, strength and athleticism is NBA-esque.
I liked the way he over-rated himself right down the lane to seal it for IU.
Pretty sure I could have driven in for a layup with the "pick" that Oladipo set for him. They showed the replay on that, and it was a good thing too, as there really is no excuse why a 7-footer can just walk into the lane for a layup. Oladipo walks straight into Nix, shoulders him up, and Zeller glides in for a layup. Horrible no-call.
Yeah, because Zeller is the reason they won the game.
Maybe you missed the illegal screen by home depot?? Kinda easy to drive right to the basket when your defender gets blind sided.
I think Nix wasn't going to challenge that play, he had four fouls on him at that point, was hoping Payne would hammer him but he was a little late coming over.
Yes it was clearly a moving screen, something MSU gets called for ALL the time. But, the point is not that he made the layup. The point is that he is a 7'0 that IU purposely ran a pick and roll for with him as the ball handler. Looking past the foul on Oladipo, that is a skill set you never see from a big man who has legitimate post moves. I have seen IU do that before with Zeller as well. That is big time from a 7 footer, illegal screen or not. That was the point on Zeller.
NBA drafts on potential, not production. Don't think they are not drooling over him right now.
Dont forget that after the moving screen set, Oladipo actually grabbed Nix's arm for a split second as well. Have watched play many times and even with the illegal screen, I think Nix was at least going to get in position to foul him, Oladipo grabs his arm for a split second and Zeller was by him. If Nix tried to fould at that point, you are looking at an and 1.
That is true. Zeller is very smooth for a man his size. The pros are projecting that he develops a shot; if that happens, he will play in the league for a long time. Don't think he'll ever be a superstar, but he'll have a solid career.
Zeller is often invisible, tough to do for a man his size. No way he makes it in the NBA. You saw what he could do yesterday against an NBA like athletic team. He did almost nothing. Heck, Michigan beat Indiana last year with a front line of Novak and Morgan
Furthermore.....who would you list as the Big10's top big men?
I would take these guys over Zeller:
Mugabe (or whatever the MN guy's name is)
Carrottop from Whisky
I would even take McGary
Ginger and McJesus being on your list of guys over Zeller is an abomination.
Honestly, the only "person" I would take over Zeller is the Payne/Nix combo.
Zeller plays a ton of minutes, is solid on both offense and defense, and is great on the fast break. I'll agree he is overrated but he's still one of the few all-around big men in college basketball.
Players play, tough players win.
He ran into the best frontcourt in the conference. Tough to put in a decent performance when Payne and Nix aren't afraid to play very physical down low.
tRCMB - Visit at your own risk of being disgusted.
MSU makes him look bad and he is a bit overrated, but he has played well in other big games.
UNC - 20 pts / 8 rebs / 4 blks
Minny - 18 pts / 6 rebs / 3 blks
GTown - 17 pts / 8 rebs (they have 4 starters at 6'8 or taller)
Wisc - 23 pts / 10 rebs (Berggren had 5 points on 2-8 shooting)
Home depot is really lame. I know you're not the first to say it, but its about equal with kork coupons in terms of creativity, humor, overall.cleverness imo.
I have mixed emotions about Zeller at the next level. . . he gets moved around by our BIGs quite a bit, and is often taken out of his game. But he does provide a wake up call in that I tend to take our BIGs for granted at times. Nix can lack in style in his offensive moves, but the way he crumbles defenders on his back reminds me of Shaquille Oneal. Derrick doesn't get off the ground real well sometimes, but he knows how to use his body, and he produces. The ceiling on AP also just keeps going up. If his 3 point shot is genuine, (and from what I see it is), he could resemble Kevin Durant someday. AP also knows how to take the ball to the hole as he reminded us in his "offensive" foul. . . in a very nice soft bank. . . the ball went in. Our BIGs can compete with anyone in the country, and that is why Zeller was missing in action.
This post was edited by whittierspartan 15 months ago
That is what PTPers do...Baby
signed, Former UD and Pistons Head Coach
Tell me how you really feel next time... I don't think you fully captured it in this post.
and your help doesn't switch.
Exactly. That was a great football block with some big-time contact.
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