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That's what the title game is for I guess. As long as MSU is in the division that most closely reflects the B1G in 1980 then I'm ok with it. Who cares if we never play Rutgers as long as they add BTN value?
If you get BC and the Cuse, you get the New England and NY markets. These are much, much bigger TV markets than NC and GA, It's not even close.
OK, but I have to disagree with several of your statements. UVa alumni will only follow their sports teams if they are winning. I've seen it for years. In 2012 London has UVa at #24 late in the season, crowd is pumped at home, and VaTech beats them 38-0. They haven't recovered in attendance or swagger since. If this is about "markets", VaTech has a much bigger following from DC to Tidewater than UVa about the all important, FOOTBALL. The coup would be Maryland and VaTech for the DC market.
I concede that UVa is a better academic school-hands down. But what are we looking for? Another potential Vanderbilt to fill out our league? Or a perennial top football program? The only prestige that UVa has considerably more of is academics (or baseball, lacrosse, soccer which mean nothing...). I guess I believe the B10 is pretty damn good academically already - bring a big time football program in (Tech) and a big time basketball/academic institution (UNC). Done deal.
It's cyclical...when VPI&SU joins the SEC and returns to bottom dweller status, UVa will regain top status in the state.
If the ACC will take State Penn and the Huskers, I will donate money to the cause!
I love the spin; I said GT is more popular in Atlanta. Nothing more. Lived there for 16 months and it seemed pretty obvious. Maybe its because they were better in both major sports.
Kansas would probably be a net loss for funds.
Do you really not understand how this works?
So we never see the other side? That's fucking stupid.
16 works (pod system, play 3 within your pod play one more pod, and rotate through the other 2). 20 could work with pods too (4 pods of 5, play the 4 in your pod, and one other pod. Rotate through every year - guaranteed to play every team in the conference, but you get the nasty 9 game conference schedule).
For the love of god, though, please don't go above 16. I actually like being able to play a team like Illy more than once every 4 years.
We're not looking to pick up schools to make us better at football. This is about money - namely the CIC and BTN. VT doesn't bring academic money like UVA, and UVA will bring just as many viewers to the BTN - namely, the entire state of Virginia.
Edit; 4 posts in a row - thanks 24/7 for multiquote.
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The expansion isn't just about money. Its about recruiting exposure too. The midwest just doesnt have the population to support a bunch of elite teams anymore. The Big Ten needs inroads in other parts of the country to stay competitive. By creating divisions that only play each other and making one of those divisions the old Big Ten relegstes thst group to being a regional entity at best.
Yes, I know there is a large group that wants to cling to tradition, but the times they are a changing and conferences have a choice. You can either change with the times and stay competitive with the other power conferences, or you csn cling to tradition and fall into irellevance.
You can't have both. So if you want tradition above all, you need to accept thst the consequence of that is that Big Ten football will eventually become like what Ivy League football is now. A cute reminder of the past, but irrelevant in the modern discussion od the sport.
Yeah, that may be so when we've colonized the moon. Right now, the B1G still is the richest conference, has the highest attendance, and is on the most national channels. I don't think the B1G will compete for titles as long as the $EC pays players more, oversigns, and has weaker academic standards, but population alone doesn't mean CUSA or the Sun Belt will surpass the B1G,
Keep in mind, the Ivies deemphasized sports and that's why they went by the wayside - the B1G has done no such thing. Furthermore, people weren't saying don't expand at all, they were saying an 18 league conference where you never play 1/2 the conference is asinine. Because it is.
I realize that, but the argument for it was simply so we could preserve some bastardized version of a big ten that hasn't existed for over two decades. My point is that people need to stop living in the past. If you want to compete you have to innovate with zero half measures. I used overexageration to prove my point.
Aas been rumored for the past year, SEC is zeroing in on NC State and Va. Tech while the Big Ten wants U. Va and UNC. The wild card , as already mentioned, is the Duke-UNC rivalry, which I think UNC is willing to give up if it means strengthening academics. However, as I mentioned earlier....I don't think anything happens until the Big 12 offers some combination of FSU, GT and Clemson.
12177 Post before moving here. 10/29/11 will live forever in our hearts (plus 50 votes in the last 3 hours)
First. The B12 will add teams just to survive like the ACC has tried too.
But only after the BIG and the SEC make their moves.
Texas hasn't been happy wih the deal with ESPN for the LHN. It hasn't been a cash cow they thought. No surprise.
Texas doesn't want to add teams. The BIG and Texas had talks over a year ago.
Should the new BIG broadcast deal take them to Comcast they have their out should they chooose to do so
Also, if the BIG wanted The CUSE, they be in by now. Why do people want the BIG to take bums.
They will be in the the New England markets with adding Rutgers and Maryland with BTN.
Fox Corp. made that promise to the BIG before these schools were announced.
And.... Delany has the go ahead to add a combo of either NC, Virginia, GT. FSU is also a factor for the BIG.
Don't be surprised if the GT and FSU are 15 and 16.
Um....Texas gets 15 million dollars at minimum from ESPN per year for LHN. ESPN are the ones that are not happy with the deal, not Texas. Everyone knew Texas was getting away with highway robbery with the LHN deal only because ESPN didn't want the Big 12 Network to happen. Screw em.
As for as the Big 12 adding teams to survive, again, Grant of Rights is the sole reason the Big 12 is stable now and the lack of Grant of Rights is the reason the ACC is the weakest of the 5 major conferences.
As for GT and FSU, I don't see it happening. UNC and U. Va brings in MUCH more money then GT and FSU, and I'm not talking football here. GT and FSU would be decent athletic additions, but would be signs that thu failed to get Virginia and Carolina.
Maybe you're not listening - VaTech will bring the entire state, NOT UVa... VaTech alumni usually stay in Virginia or North Carolina... UVa as a fan base is lackluster at best here in Virginia, and Tech fans are rabid: hence more TV watching, and more TV dollars. Sure UVa has a bigger endowment if that's what you're talking about, but Tech fans travel to bowls, go to games, WATCH THE GAMES ON TV and support their team MUCH more than UVa...just sayin'. If it's about money, there it is.
You're the one who doesn't understand. Just by adding one of UVA or VA Tech, every cable package in the entire state gets BTN put on basic cable at the highest rate according to all of the deals with cable/satellite providers. Therefore it comes down to who brings in more academic and research dollars. Here's a hint. It's not VA Tech.
You can forget about VaTech, FSU and Clemson ever getting into the B1G. None of these schools are in the AAU, which is required. The only school who could get in without AAU membership isND.
Fight for the only colors, Green and White!
The Big Ten and whoever buys the TV rights in 2016 definitely care about ratings and I think the B1G would be okay with adding either UVA or VT, but UVa wins in a landslide with AAU membership, extremely high academics and research, and overall quality of athletics. Virginia Tech's strengths include recent football success and high enrollment/large alumni base. We also have to take into consideration who would vote for whom and who UNC/Duke/etc. would rather join with. I can't see NW, UM, or UW voting for VT over UVa and I would bet UNC, GT, Duke, and Maryland would rally support behind UVa over VT. My two cents.
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What day can I expect this to actually happen? Sometime around never?
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