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I don't get it. I swear there were about 8 pi calls that were missed. A couple of false starts and a few players on both sides that should have been ejected in the first half. Call the game the same all year. Guess there was a lot of money for someone.
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I saw several offsides (SF 2 pt conversion for one) and what looked like a few false starts. But I think 99.999999% of the time, no call is the right call on PI. I hate PI. Some of the calls I've seen over the years wouldn't even be a foul in basketball. If it ain't a foul in hoops, it sure as hell shouldn't be a penalty in football. Give me the no calls and let the players fight it out.
One call I think was right on was the one Jim H. went nuts on in the last 2 minutes of the game. Crabtree pushed off as much as the defender held. No call. Perfect.
This post was edited by Frank Ricard 14 months ago
Really hard call in the final Crabtree play. Serious jersey pulling going on.
Yes, I can.
By both players. Good example of when not to throw a flag.
No critiquing the officials.....I know one of them...they did a perfect job. Well, he did. The others had some iffy calls.
That was a horrible non-call. This is why: both players made initial contact with each other and contact was made by both players. Had it ended there, I would agree with you that no penalty should not have been called. The penalty comes after initial contact and Crabtree tries to run by the cb, and he blatantly holds him. It's really not in dispute. I've heard many reasons to not throw that flag by "experts", but not one of them was "he didn't hold him". In other words, Crabtree was held, and it shouldn't matter that it's a goal line play, or that it was 4th down near the end of the game. That is a penalty that simply was not called.
The second most egregious call (or non-call) was when the Ravens cb Williams shoved the official and not only was not ejected, but wasn't even flagged. as the OP explained, there also were many offsides/encroachments not called. I could care less which team won this game as I hate both teams equally, but this was a poorly officiated game, no question about it.
The Super Bowl was officiated as good as the Green Bay at Seattle Monday Night regular season game.
You are delusional and if you want to say somebody from the Ravens should have gotten ejected, its looked like Kaepernick through a pretty blatant punch in that little fight in the first half. Were you calling for him to get ejected too?
OK, not sure if you know the rules or not, but you cannot make contact with an official, let alone shove one. It's an automatic ejection. Now, I can see a very slight possibility that the guy didn't know it was an official he shoved, but that's beside the point. To not even call a penalty on it is ludicrous. As for Kaepernick throwing a punch - I didn't see it, but if he threw a punch, then yes, I would expect him to get ejected. I'm not a 49ers fan. I have no dog in this fight.
On SFs last drive they had a lineman flat out tackle the DE that beat him...on two separate plays with no call so they were lucky to get down the field
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After the 4th down play, SF should have challenged that they didn't get the play off in time. After JH plead his case for holding, he should have whipped out that red flag.
Unless I'm not thinking of the same point of the ballgame as you, there can be no coaches challenges in the last two minutes of a half. All reviews must come from upstairs. Throwing a red challenge flag when you're not permitted to is a 15 yard misconduct penalty (see Schwartz).
Blatant holding during the "safety" play too, that went uncalled. Not sure how the penalty would've changed things, but I was surprised at the no call.
That's exactly what I've been saying in another thread. Doubt it would've changed anything, but ow do the officials look at 4-6 offensive players tackling defenders not throw the flag?
Agree it was holding. But if it's called theresult is....a safety. Bc holding in the end zone = safety.
So the end result is the same.
There was a lot of early post-whistle chippiness that was ignored. Then post-whistle hits and punches repeatedly before the little melee that ended with harmless offsetting penalties.
It this were a regular season Lions game, the announcers would have railed on the lack of leadership, discipline, composure, and coaching all game long. Instead, it's "that's a good no-call" over and over all game long. Does the NFL think that the officials are supposed to quit calling penalties because it's a SB?
It was just a mistake;
I didn't mean to let them take away my soul.
Am I too old?
Is it too late?
Not only did they say its a good no call, they were talking about how the Harbaugh's get their teams so well prepared and how much fire the players play with.
Doubt it would have changed anything? It wouldn't have. That is why the strategy was so brilliant. The throwing of a flag would not have stopped the clock and the penalty would have been "assessed" at the end of the play anyway.
We'll agree to disagree. Like you, I had no dog in this fight. The only bet I had was squares for certain scores at the end of the quarters. Since my numbers had no chance, I had nothing on the outcome. I don't hate either team, I just didn't care.
Anyways, IMO Crabtree put his hand on 2 occasions on the defender's helmet and pushed off, which is probably why the defender fell down. I'll agree that the defender held, but it wasn't any worse than Crabtree. We are so used to the offensive player getting the call that we overlook how much pushing off goes on by them. Throw in the fact the ball was uncatchable anyways and I have 2 reason no flag shouldn't be thrown - 1) pushing off and 2) ball uncatchable. Result - no call.
You are correct that we apparently won't agree on the holding by the DB. As for the not catchable part, the reason it was not catchable was because of the hold. The ball only landed a couple of feet out of bounds and would have been catchable.
Yeah, that's what i said. But can you tell me why no flag was thrown?
I agree about the chippiness and I think it encouraged players to push the envelope as much as possible. I hate to harp on this but Boger had never even worked a conference championship prior to last night so I think that crew was in over their heads a bit. I just can't imagine a guy like Hochuli or Carey letting the rough stuff pile up early without throwing a few flags to ensure the game doesn't get out of hand.
I was rooting for the Ravens and I thought SF was jobbed at the end. Refs misses a helmet to helmet on 3rd down. The 4th down no-call was iffy, but 80/20 iffy ... 80% of the time thats a flag. The defender had his arms wrapped around Crabtree. Sure, he then pushed off, but it wasnt egregious and the hold kept him from being able to make a play on the ball.
The clock was a huge factor. The kicker ran around for several seconds while defenders were being held and/or tackled in the end zone.
The NFL should have a rule that puts time back on the clock in this situation if the offense can use holding to their advantage with no other penalty.
No, you said you doubted it would have changed anything. As in "It might have changed something but I don't think it did." The referees did not throw any flags. Yeah, they should have, but it had absolutely zero impact on the game. To complain about it is pointless.
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