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Time zone bruh
That doesn't affect how much daylight you get. If when on the clock you get daylight is important, then mid michigan is the place for you.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Chitown_Badger 13 months ago
And while I see chitown doing his Chicago is superior than all thing, Chicago was fun to live in. Impossible to buy a good size house with a yard, especially if you don't want to live in Naperville or Elgin, but fun until you have kids and don't want them to go to cps.
I guess it's just a grass is always greener thing
I think his larger point is that people who are able to make a good income (like pharma reps and medical supply reps) aren't leaving, even if a promotion is available in another market. If you compare what house you can purchase in West Michigan for $300k, and then factor in that these jobs tend to pay well enough that you have money left over for a boat, ski trips, and perhaps a condo in Florida, the quality of life is superior to simply moving to a large market and seeing all your money going towards housing costs.
It matters when you live on the east side of one time zone vs the west side of another. It's just daylight later at night vs sunrise earlier in the morning.
Personally I'll take daylight later at night myself
This post was edited by trash fire 13 months ago
I was simply pointing out some facts that called into question the points being made. Nowhere did I say chicago was better.
You could be a Mod on a board with whiners and spammers.
I'm sure there's data out there to show who is leaving the state and who isn't. The migration by education level at the link below seem to indicate that Michigan does a decent job of keeping educated people at home, but doesn't lure any educated people to the state from elsewhere.
Center for Geographic Information -
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Bummer, OP. Sorry. I was in your shoes and it took a whole career change to get out of it.
Having a degree only tells part of the story. People with good jobs aren't leaving in droves by any means...it's the people who are uneducated/unskilled, or educated people who can't get good jobs here.
And as pointed out before, the reason there aren't people moving here for the "good jobs" is that the people that have them never leave, and never give them up. With a stagnant population, there's limited room for growth in most industries.
Well that explains why so many people here hang on to MSU sports and arguing online for their enjoyment/despair in life...
You guys are on here all day at work just getting through the day to bring home some money and live for what?
I may be an overly optimistic grad student, but damn I hope I don't live a slave to my job. If I don't like it I hope I feel enough freedom to move anywhere around the world to find something better...
Missing my point, I like what I do, I like my career. What I don't like is that the upward movement seems to have stalled here, and I'm being pissy about the idea that if I had stayed in my previous office I'd be making 10-15k more per year. I've lived all around the country and decided to move back bc we wanted to be near family when we had kids and my wife got a crazy good job here. I feel like I can't switch companies bc we are one of the only ones that do what we do in the state, kind of a niche thing. It's be stupid of me to leave but I'm still bitter about feeling under compensated for what I do.
Wait it gets worse after that?
My shovel is sharp, my pick is sharp, and my will is outstanding.
Sorry to hear things are getting you down, OP. I'm in a similar boat - I lived in Cleveland for 2 years (hence the screen name that I'm forever stuck with...a cross I bare...) and absolutely hated it. Hated the job, hated the college I worked for, and hated the Cleveland area even more (no offense intended to the native Clevelanders/adopted Clevelanders!) - when I got the chance to move back home to SW Michigan, I was all over it. Got in the car and never looked back. Now that I'm back, I'm starting to feel a little trapped in the job I'm in - don't get me wrong, I love the school I work for and I love the work I do, but like you, I really don't feel like there is any way for me to move up in the world where I'm at. I guess for now, my major comfort is that I love my area of the state and I'm enjoying what I do. Long-term goals are starting to be a bit of a cause for concern, but I'll enjoy myself for a little while longer before I start tackling those.
Sounds a bit like my job, but I love it. I mean, I haven't had a raise in years and there are little opportunities for advancement because of all the layoffs, but I get to work all of the overtime I want. And since there are no opportunities for raises based on performance, I really only need to work hard enough not to get fired. When I need more money, I just work more hours. It's really not bad.
haha - I used to think that way, but I'm gonna tell you dude, not sure what your definition of "bank" is, but with healthcare costs and the costs of raising a family, you better have two million "banked" if you think you are just going to be able to retire or walk away from your job once you have a wife and kids. Maybe you will be one of those people that can still live on the cheap and do it for less, but spending does have a way of trending (way) upward with a wife and kids, let me tell you.
Where you gunna get 10% in this day/age my friend? I'll hang up and listen.
So you're killing yourself now so that you can maybe retire in 10 years? Sounds like you're the slave, mayne.
Wait, so you're going to wait to have kids AFTER you retire at the worst in 10 years? How old are you?
Yea, all depends on how you look at things and what/where you want to be in life, I guess. Sure, I'd love to get a new job making a ton more money, but where will that be? Right now I'm in a location that I really enjoy (Colorado) making decent money and enjoying the outdoors (snowboarding, hiking, biking, etc.). I've been presented opportunities in other states for significant salary increases, but the locations weren't all that good (St. Louis, Indiana, etc.). So I could have taken those jobs and with the extra money, planned a few vacations. I have already gone snowboarding 18 times so far this year (obviously this is one of my passions, other people may not choose to do this with their own time and money), which I really couldn't have done in those other locations even with multiple vacations to the mountains. In 10 more years, who knows if I'll even be able to physically snowboard 18+ times per season.
I guess where I'm going with all that rambling is that, in 10 years will it have been worth it to stack money away but miss out on those opportunities? It's similar to the people that are choosing to either have kids very young, so that the kids are out of the house and the parents are still young enough to do things.... versus having kids later in life, after you've already had all your fun. The way I see it, you can't do the same things in your 40's that you wanted to do in your 20's.
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