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Yes as an 8 seed. They finished 8-8 in the Big Ten that year. Dick Bennett was 39-45 in B10 play in his 5+ seasons as head coach.
Are you going to really argue that Wisconsin basketball was good when Bo Ryan got there? Bo Ryan is their first coach since 1934 to have a career winning % above 0.500 in league play and he's at .710.
Minnesota shouldn't expect anything different.
If I were Tubby I'd play hide & seek with the AD for the next couple of weeks. Ideally making about one public appearance per day to say "I've heard rumors for years. I'm coach until the AD informs me."
I had a co-worker a few years ago who, after he found out he was being laid off through back channels, I helped do this for about a month by strategically scheduling him out in the field when HR was available for that task on Fridays between 8 and 3. Eventually management had to come to work early and handle the dirty work instead of passing it off to HR.
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+1. No mercy to management that won't own up to their decisions.
Thank you, Denicos.
You don't know who Dick Bennett is do you? They made the tournament 4 out of 5 years (including a final four appearance) before Dracula was hired.
People acting like Minnesota has a decent amount of high school basketball talent are also way off base. Joe Coleman is probably the best player to come out of the last 3 classes. Think about that.
You said Wisconsin was "Horrible." You were flat out wrong.
What a fucking farce. I know Minnesota wasn't contending for conference titles under Tubby, but it's tough to break into that MSU/OSU tier. What he did do was take them from garbage fire to respectability. He's a good coach and a good person, and didn't deserve to be pushed out like this.
tRCMB - Visit at your own risk of being disgusted.
They do have 2 of the Top 10 in the Class of '14 though.
In an idealistic world, yes. But Minnesota is not in the top six programs in the Big Ten (MSU, scUM, OSU, Indiana, Wisky, Illinois). Not many kids want to go play there. It's not exactly a basketball powerhouse.
What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...
Probably would have had two titles at Kentucky if not for Dwyane Wade. The UK team that Marquette took down was the hottest team in the country at the time.
I don't think 2014 guys had much effect on Tubby's last 3 seasons. It's also hard to keep top 10 guys in state no matter what. Minnesota's biggest problem is that they produce so few 50-150 prospects. Those are the guys they are most likely to get. Kentucky, Duke, MSU, etc are more likely to get any top 10 player from Minnesota than Minnesota is, no matter the coach.
I know who Dick Bennett is. He took them to 3 NCAA tournaments in 5 years while going 39-45 in the Big Ten and was bounced in the first round 2 of the 3 trips. So they were decent when he was there and horrible in the 61 years before Bennett got there. Fair enough?
Flameouts in the tournament aside, Bo Ryan has taken Wisconsin to a place they've never dreamed of. They compete for the Big Ten title on an almost annual basis and I don't think Minnesota should think differently.
My whole point is Minnesota deserves better than a .500 team. I think it's insane for people to think Minnesota should accept mediocrity. Would anyone here be happy if Dantonio was spitting out 6-6 seasons every year just because that's more or less what we had done for the past 40 years. Hell no.
Tubby Smith is all that's good about basketball. He deserved more than six years at Minnesota. He should have gotten a practice facility and molded the program to a point where he could step aside on his own terms.
All warm and fuzzies aside, when an AD or President hires a coach with 6 Sweet Sixteen appearances in 10 years at Kentucky, 2 in 4 years at Tulsa (a school with 1 tournament win in 40 years), and 1 in 2 years at Georgia (a school with just 2 conference championships in its history), they expect more than "being respectable" with three tournament appearances and one victory in six years at your school.
And a coach with that resume probably expects more support from the AD or President who hires him, as you eluded to above.
Would've had another FF if it weren't for a 2OT loss to MSU in 2005 too.
This AD did not hire him.
"If you have the right to be offended I have the right to offend you." - Ricky Gervais
I understand that, but the previous regime that did hire him, offered him little to no institutional support.
Minnesota can start thinking like Wisconsin once they decide on having facilities like Wisconsin. Let's start right there. Bo has had the benefit of the Kohl Center
How are Minnesota's practice facilities?
Spoiler: there are none
Fine, they expect more. But why fire him mid-contract then?
They just gave him a new contract in July. Was this season really that disappointing for Minnesota?
That was my point. Tubby chose to come here. He had expectations (practice facilities). The school had expectations (show me the wins).
But both the President and AD who hired Tubby are gone, so they can't be blamed for not fulfilling alleged promises they never made.
Of course the former AD/President can be blamed. I just did above. Additionally, the current AD/President extended Smith's contract last summer.
Tubby is 61 and is getting a pile of cash to take a walk. Tubby is one of the classiest guys in college b-ball. Take the money and run, Tubby. Tubby has no reason to feel ashamed--he has accomplished more than 95% of the guys in his profession.
Enjoy life--become a commentator if you really want to work--and feel good in the knowledge you'll never again have to walk into a teenager's house and kiss their ass.
Myron Medcalf @MedcalfByESPN 42m
When Tubby took the job, Joel Maturi promised him a practice facility on the flight to Minneapolis. That was 2007. Not one shovel in ground.
Calipari to the U? It's has to be about time for Cal to flee his current gig, right?
Do you know what else coincided with the rise of Wisconsin basketball since 1998? A MAJOR facilities upgrade. A brand new arena and practice facility definitely helped elevate that program.
Do you think Bo Ryan should be fired because Wisconsin has plateaued over the last 5 years?
I was at the Hockey City Classic earlier this year and I was talking to a couple of Minnesota natives and it clearly seems that Gopher Hockey is the most, if not one of the most, supported sports teams in that state. They didn't mention the Vikings but chose Gopher hockey over the Wild.
Though they did say at the time that they believed Tubby needed to go, so maybe this is a popular move for many of the average Minnesota fans.
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