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Gates wasn't the 5th pick but, l do appriciate the effort. +1
Jimmy Graham caught 17 whole passes in one season of college football. All Pro. He was however not the 5th pick either (95th to be exact).
at least he made the basketball team
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
You and I are on the same side on this one (which I can't believe btw). I just keep coming back to this fact. Carradine (safer pick), Hunt (same boom or bust pick), and Okafor (safe safe safe) are all likely to be on the board at 36. Not only was this was a reach, it was done without considering positional depth. I also can't believe for one second that Ansah was the BPA. This was done because the Lions were scared about their DE's and took a guy because they liked him just enough after one week at the Senior Bowl to take him. Those are frightening reasons to take a guy.
So the Lions watched "The Waterboy" before the draft and now they have a guy with zero football IQ they figure they can just unleash on NFL quality offensive linemen to wreck havoc and destruction. Here's to seeing their #5 draft pick getting confused by draw plays and drawn offsides 5 times a game.
Then there was Iko Iko Alama Francis, and we know he had a great care...oh. But this is different because he's going to a first rate organiza.....oh.
There's a lot of people on here that probably should be scouting for the NFL.
Is Ziggy risky? Absolutely, but literally every other player drafted is a risk, to state he is going to be a straight bust is laughable. Every year people get shit wrong. The all studs that people think will be penciled in turn out to massive busts and the dudes drafted in the 6th round are all-pros.
Give him 3 years and then return to the draft and see who is an All-Pro and who is on the streets. This isn't an exact science.
Did the Vikings really trade three picks to the Pats to get Patterson from SC?
Ziggy is either going to be a force on the DLine or he will be out of football in 3 years.
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4 picks to the Pats
Te'o went from consensus Top 5 / Top 10 to 2nd round or lower. The ND PR Dept. couldn't spin a slow 40 time and video from the Alabama game. Toss in the "character" issue(s) ND tried to spin. The guy cost himself millions with his virtual girlfriend.
This post was edited by GRR Spartan 12 months ago
in other words, he is either going to be really good or bad. You must know your shit.
I don't think anyone he's a guaranteed bust. What we are saying is he has a lot of bust potential (at a position known for an extremely high bust rate in round 1) and too much for a lot of us to like the Lions using a top 5 pick on him. He certainly could be an all-pro but I just thought he was too risky to take in that spot.
What I'm saying is there is no middle ground, like a 8-10 years rotational guy. He has a high ceiling but an even lower floor.
This post was edited by Durrells Dealer 12 months ago
no doubt...he's a classic boom or bust guy. However, everything I'm reading about the kid says boom, and Mayhew had balls by picking him...it was NOT a safe pick.
..BTW: who drafts Bell tonight? I say he gets picked mid to late 3rd round by either CInci, Dallas,Miami or Green Bay.
I think he's going to Denver. Hope I'm wrong on Ziggy.
It is hysterical to see people commenting on Ziggy like he did nothing in college and had just a few flashes in the senior bowl and is a sure bust who at best won't be ready for a few years. Go watch the whole ten minute clip someone posted of every snap he played in the Senior Bowl. Go watch one of his later games. As was already pointed out, for "not producing" at all, he still put up better sacks, tackles and tackles for loss than Mingo for FSU.
This staff developed Young & Sammie Hill. They saw the kid in person, and illegally lined him up in Det's DL style to get a feel for him. Tons of analysts have called this pick for weeks, this is also not the shock/reach people here are claiming it to be.
Where else have I heard that quote, Mike Mayock?
That's pathetically hyperbolic. Worst case scenario for this guy is he's actually 40 years old and is out of football because his knees give out. Dude has no injury history and his floor is being an average defensive end at worst.
Talking heads on TV like stirring up drama.
Yes. Why not? They desperately needed a receiver to replace Percy Harvin.
If a player you want is there, why hold on to picks you don't really need?
The Vikings had a great draft last night.
Are you related to Mike Ditka by any chance?
What is that supposed to mean?
They had THREE draft picks in the 1st round. They absolutely hit it out of the park on all of them. Two players, DT Shariff Floyd and CB Xavier Rhodes, fell into their lap, and one was a player in a position of need they went up and got -- WR Corderelle Patterson.
Yeah they need an ILB, but if a player you want is there and you have draft picks to spare, go get him.
You're either too young to remember the Ricky Williams trade or you don't understand why having more picks is better than fewer. Yes some guys are more likely to pan out than others but giving up 4 picks (including a 2nd and 3rd) way too high. Also I'm not sure if you noticed but there are still some pretty good receivers available like Woods, Hunter, Allen, and Bailey. There's a good chance that one of them would've fallen to Minnesota in the 2nd anyway.
The Onion nails it again
NEW YORKo that they will select him with the first overall pick.
Menelik Watson??? Another person who only started playing football 2 years ago???!!! This time from England. I feel like the Lions are just gunning to be HBO Hard Knocks and saying 'fuck it'.
No I'm not too young to remember but you're reaching if you're comparing a draft where the New Orleans Saints traded every one of their draft picks for ONE guy and a draft where the Minnesota Vikings already had THREE picks in the first round.
They essentially got 1st round talent from their 2nd and 3rd picks. That talent isn't bad at all.
You don't take chances when you see a guy you want. Minnesota was in a position to take the risk. They were having a good draft and it all of the sudden became great.
Saying they should have kept more picks is ludicrous.
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