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I guess i start watching the KHL more regularly now
Datsyuk plays for CSKA Moscow right, Go Red Army
I blame cindy crosby. hopfully next time he won't bite on bettman's dick while servicing him to get calls.
fuck that douche
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
Don't forget signing players to contracts of ridiculous lengths then just a few months later complaining that contracts are too long. You were the a-holes that signed them (looks right at Minnesota owner). If you had no intention of honoring those contracts, doesn't that mean you were negotiating in bad faith and that no player in their right mind should ever trust you?
Thank you, Denicos.
Wait, was Crosby the guy to lockout the rest of the players?
I can't even tell which side is truly at fault anymore.
lock Fehr and Bettman in a room with 24 hour oxygen supply. In 25 hours negotiate a new deal...
Go Bears, Blackhawks, White Sox, and Pioneers.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand
I always go with the side that imposes a salary cap to solve all its troubles after a year-long lockout, makes mad money as a result, then comes back to the "bargaining table" demanding more money back because they can't possibly survive under the economic realities (20-year-long, $100 million contracts) they've created.
Maybe it's just me.
Good, great, terrific! Fack! Why do I keep getting hope?
There's a toilet in the kitchen!
Is theory this would work. The problem is that Bettman signed a new deal with NBCSports so the owners get paid their TV money even if the entire season is cancelled. To the big market teams this really sucks, but to the other 22 teams this is awesome because they can finally make money without ever having to play a single game.
From deep inside players side: "We were ready to play again. But Don came in (Wed.) and told us we could get more and to hold out"
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Sure, but if there is no season, the last season under the current NBC contract would be played without a rights fee.
Is that reliable? could it just be nonsense?
Adrian Dater is a hockey writer (covering the Avalanche) of long standing, going back to the blood feud between the Avalanche & the Red Wings. I'd say he knows what he's talking about, but that doesn't mean he's free of bias.
Here's Malik's view of the matter:
The truth may lie somewhere in between, but Bettman and Daly's pressers told us exactly where everyone on the ownership side stands, while some of these "leaks" are showing us which sides the unbiased media leans toward, and where they're getting their cookies from.
I'm not bashing Dater here--I'm sure his sources are legit--but he also dropped the, "Fehr is a suicide bomber" line, and I can't help but think that someone wants someone to inject a little chaos and disjunction into the situation.
What's the truth of the situation?
Given that Bettman and Daly dug their own graves for 45 minutes, practically knitting Mars rover-sized parachutes made from contradictory statements, falsehoods, out-and-out lies and so much "emo" that they went through a gallon of black eyeshadow, and given that the players, "Deep inside" excluded, seem to believe that they're on the same track, even if the train has derailed, I'm obviously going to go with those who didnt spend an extended period of time pouting near an unloved podium.
It seems completely ridiculous for the NHL to be completely unwilling to negotiate further with what they've made. It seems like a lot of progress was made and to just wipe it all away? I am not sure everything is "off the table" but tonight was a huge bummer.
Also, pretty sure Fehr's only interest is to make the players as much money as possible. While that is what he is there to do, it's disheartening to feel that he probably couldn't give a single fuck if the season is canceled.
A player's perspective:
I'm done caring.. We keep moving and giving.. This 1 way street sucks
Just my two cents.
I think the players want much more than the league can afford.
In the 2005-2006 season, the cap was $39M, for the upcoming season it was supposed to the $70M. Grew way too fast.
For a league with little TV revenue, it can't grow at this rate, with struggling franchises.
The typical NFL team gets 54% of its revenue from TV, while an NHL team gets 18% of its revenue from TV. The NFL salary cap is about $120M, the NHL at $70M makes no sense. Not sustainable.
The typical NFL team gets 99% of its players salary covered by TV revenue alone. A typical NBA team gets $20M more in TV revenue than an NHL team.
NHL players need to take a step back and realize they are at the bottom rung of the four major sports and can't be paid like the NFL, NBA or MLB. Simple economics. The revenue simply isn't there league wide.
Fuck the NHL, I'm out. If I want to follow any hockey, it'll just be college.
MSU is on NBC Sports Network tomorrow
Try to keep up here. Both Fehr and the NHL are in agreement on the economics. The remaining big sticking points have nothing to do with $$. The NHL is adamant that max player contracts are at 5 years. That's right the same guys that just gave 13 year deals to Parise and Suter now claim that they can't survive if they have the freedom to give any contract longer than 5 years. It's absurd, Bettman is colossal joke. They also are demanding a 10 year CBA. I originally thought they would wipe out the season, but now I'm pretty sure this is really all for show and the owners will cave in another couple weeks so they can have a 50 game season.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury
Bettman broke the union to get the deal that saw the cap grow that fast. His dream was a cap linked to revenue. He canceled a season and got it. Players can get no more than 57% of league revenues. Now he wants more and the NHLPA ended up taking the owner's last deal on the split of revenue.
Yet Bettman still wants the players to make more and more concessions. It's bullshit. There is not a single area where the players are better off than they were under the old CBA in yesterday's counteroffer. The money has been agreed to.
I wish I could say that I can't believe Bettman wasn't willing to shut down the league for another season solely to get a five-year term limit on contracts but that's what is happening.
This shows exactly how insane the owners are. The players have met the owners more than halfway on every issue and then when it looks like a deal is done the owners move the goalposts.
The Toronto Sun's Terry Koshan conveniently snagged a copy of NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr's email to his 700-plus constituents, summarizing Thursday's collective bargaining events as seen through the PA's eyes.
1. Transition payment ("make whole"): We moved off of our $393 Million proposal and accepted the League's December 5 offer of $300 Million. This means there is an agreement on dollars.
2. Individual SPC (standard player contract) length and Variability of SPCs: The Owners have proposed (i) a limit of 5 years, except that Players who re-sign with their Clubs could contract for 7 years, and (ii) a 5% limit on year-to-year salary variability in long-term deals. We believe that these restrictions would devastate the "middle class" of players and result in the NBA model, where a few players earn huge salaries while pushing everyone else down toward the minimum. (Their proposal would also undermine the free-agent market by giving a significant advantage to Clubs that want to re-sign their own Players.) Moreover, in spite of our concerns, in order to close the deal we moved from of our last offer (a 10-year limit and no limit on variability) and instead proposed an 8-year limit on all SPCs and a variability limit of 25% over the term of the SPC, applied to contracts of 7 years or longer.
3. Pensions: We agreed to the Owners' proposal on pensions, which included the Players' commitment of $50 Million of the $300 Million transition payment in order to address Owners' concerns about their liability in the event of underfunding.
4. CBA Term: The League pressed hard for a 10-year term, moving off their previous proposal of 6 + 1, and doubling the length of their initial proposal of a 5 years. In fact, they've moved away from us on this issue from the very start. Nevertheless, in an effort to reach agreement, we made a major move towards them, offering an 8-year term, with a Player right to opt out after 6 years.
5. Cap Benefit Recapture: We again made a move towards the League, responding to their complaint that this provision must apply to existing SPCs as well as new ones, by offering to cover all existing contracts that have 7 years or more remaining.
The overall problem the league has isn't total revenue vs expenses, it's the revenue disparity between the haves & have nots. This is because their tv deal sucks. Instead of getting the owners to agree to some better form of revenue sharing, Buttman is trying to squeeze it all out of the players so that even a Phoenix that runs at 60% capacity won't lose money. He put those franchises in crappy locations & in the case of Phoenix won't let them move, so why should the players have to pay for his mistakes?
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