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Damm...I'm interested in the NBA again

  • I'm I the only one following free agency and these trade rumors?

    Case in point:

    1. The Miami Heat are early 80's Lakers talented. We love to hate them but damm they are good. The could being building a dynasty ala Chicago Bulls 1990's.

    2. Challenger: OKC: We are rooting for them and they currently are the only serious challenge to the Heat.

    3. One player away from challenging: Nets, whaat!!! Only if the one player is Howard who is determined to be a Net with Williams at point, Johnson at the 2 spot, and Wallace at the wing.

    4. Over the hill pretender: the Lakers....Overrated even with Nash

    5. Respect but...: Spurs and Celtics are good but they just can't compete with the young Heat and Thunder

    6. Pistons should be at least entertaing this season.

    This post was edited by TempleSpartan on 7/6/2012 at 6:32 AM

    Haters gonna hate!

    TempleSpartan

  • Ha ha (Nelson pointing at you^^^^)

    SD Spartan

  • Also, why did the Thunder not pull the trigger for Howard? The Thunder in my opinion would have won the title this year with him and would be repeat champions next season and he would resign with the Thunder after two titles.

    Dwight Howard Trade Rumors: James Harden And Serge Ibaka Too Much For Thunder - SB Nation Kansas City

    It's too high of a price to pay for such a short window of opportunity when the Thunder might just win the crown this year without giving anything up at all.

    mobile.kansascity.sbnation.com

    Haters gonna hate!

    TempleSpartan

  • TempleSpartan said...

    Also, why did the Thunder not pull the trigger for Howard? The Thunder in my opinion would have won the title this year with him and would be repeat champions next season and he would resign with the Thunder after two titles.

    Because Howard is going to want a max deal after next season. They can't afford to have Howard, Durant, and Westbrook all on max deals, which means they would be renting Howard for a year and have to give up a good young center and their 6th man for one year's service. If there was a way to keep all 3 long term, I'm sure they would have done it in a heart beat

    And if the good Lord’s willin’, I’m a keep on chillin’, refillin’ and flyin’ high

    Goud21

  • Give in to the NBA... people here hate it while the Pistons are irrelevant, but the league is better than its been in a decade and this year's playoffs were some of the best in recent memory. Next season will be a lot of fun with the Lakers and Nets (maybe) hopefully able to compete with the Heat, Thunder, and Spurs... and who knows about Chicago (we'll see how well Rose comes back) and Boston... another year older, but Pierce and Garnett can still play and if Green comes back and then some of the young talent they have???? Could be interesting.

    Unfortunately, the Pistons are still a little ways off, they might sneak into the playoffs next year

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  • Goud21 said...

    Because Howard is going to want a max deal after next season. They can't afford to have Howard, Durant, and Westbrook all on max deals, which means they would be renting Howard for a year and have to give up a good young center and their 6th man for one year's service. If there was a way to keep all 3 long term, I'm sure they would have done it in a heart beat

    Plus... howard has this back thing and he's a primadonna who... even though a seemingly good christian guy, creates more drama than necessary. I've never been impressed with Howard's motor. It feels like the dude should be more dominant offensively than he's been, but he gets in a ton of foul trouble. Dude is a monster on the glass, but I think Ibaka and Harden are good investments over the long haul... the only question is whether or not they can keep Harden, Durant, and Westbrook...

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  • I'm a big NBA fan already and things are only going to go up from here. Howard, IMO, makes the Lakers the favorite in the West or the Nets the 2nd or 3rd best team in the East and he absolutely has to be moved this offseason. Sure NBA players take plays off but you can't really afford to take the whole regular season off anymore. If the Lakers win some games they should have against the Pistons, Kings, Wizards, Cavs, etc they have home court and have a shot at beating OKC.

    I think the NBA will start picking up more steam soon. 25% of the fanbase wants to jump on the Heat dynasty bandwagon while the other 75% want them to lose at all costs. While the Celtics are on the verge of mediocrity again, quite a few other teams are rising to the contest and should give the Heat and Thunder some very good competition.

    With that being said, Stern still needs to go and they need to contract a couple of teams to really make things competitive.

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    GoHard24

  • The next few years will be interesting in the NBA. Traditional powers like LA, Boston and San Antonio look to be on the downside. The salary cap and penalties for going over are going to make it harder to keep a talented team in place. Miami is the class of the league but I think Chicago can give them a run if they are healthy. OKC needs maturity and toughness. Teams like Detroit and others who are building for the future instead of blowing money like the Nets and Knicks have the right idea.

    MSchott

  • Joe Johnaon really isn't that good, and because of him, Brooklyn cant get Howard

    jwarsenal9

  • TempleSpartan said...

    I'm I the only one following free agency and these trade rumors?

    Case in point:

    1. The Miami Heat are early 80's Lakers talented. We love to hate them but damm they are good. The could being building a dynasty ala Chicago Bulls 1990's.

    2. Challenger: OKC: We are rooting for them and they currently are the only serious challenge to the Heat.

    3. One player away from challenging: Nets, whaat!!! Only if the one player is Howard who is determined to be a Net with Williams at point, Johnson at the 2 spot, and Wallace at the wing.

    4. Over the hill pretender: the Lakers....Overrated even with Nash

    5. Respect but...: Spurs and Celtics are good but they just can't compete with the young Heat and Thunder

    6. Pistons should be at least entertaing this season.

    The playoffs for the NBA are great...

    I'm not a big OKC fan, my favorite team of the playoffs was the Celtics.

    If the Lakers get Howard look out.

    The Heat are definitely the team to beat, and I don't think it's even close. Dynasty in the making.

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    steveschneider

  • jwarsenal9 said...

    Joe Johnaon really isn't that good, and because of him, Brooklyn cant get Howard

    He may be overpaid but outside of Kobe and Wade he's the best 2-guard in the NBA and has been for quite some time. JJ is a very good player.

    Ivey Wingo

  • steveschneider said...

    The playoffs for the NBA are great...

    I'm not a big OKC fan, my favorite team of the playoffs was the Celtics.

    If the Lakers get Howard look out.

    The Heat are definitely the team to beat, and I don't think it's even close. Dynasty in the making.

    The problem with the Heat is Wade. His health is up and down and if it's down they are in trouble. Plus, their bench is thin and getting old. I can see them winning one or two more titles but the true dynasty is OKC if they can keep Durant and Westbrook under the salary cap.

    MSchott

  • MSchott said...

    The problem with the Heat is Wade. His health is up and down and if it's down they are in trouble. Plus, their bench is thin and getting old. I can see them winning one or two more titles but the true dynasty is OKC if they can keep Durant and Westbrook under the salary cap.

    Agree the big three have to be healthy to keep the dynasty going. I still don't think people give their bench enough credit: getting Battier was a steal, Chalmers is good, Haslem came up big in a few games in their playoffs, and Miller (though looks old with his back problem) had huge games.

    I think soon the Heat are going to get free agents willing to sign there that want to take pay cuts and win rings. I don't think their bench will be an issue.

    OKC has great speed and talent but I saw nothing out of them that showed me they can top the Heat. For the record I'm not into OKC or the Heat. I'm hoping some other team can step it up and take down the Heat.

    This post was edited by steveschneider on 7/6/2012 at 9:54 AM

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  • steveschneider said...

    Agree the big three have to be healthy to keep the dynasty going. I still don't think people give their bench enough credit: getting Battier was a steal, Chalmers is good, Haslem came up big in a few games in their playoffs, and Miller (though looks old with his back problem) had huge games.

    I think soon the Heat are going to get free agents willing to sign there that want to take pay cuts and win rings. I don't think their bench will be an issue.

    To your latter point, I think you're right, though I would have expected Nash to try to go there, but he is making more this way... Lakers are close.

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    To your latter point, I think you're right, though I would have expected Nash to try to go there, but he is making more this way... Lakers are close.

    It already happened with Battier. The guy's defense and 3pt shot were unbelievable in the playoffs. How many crucial charge fouls did he draw against OKC in crucial moments? Plus that guy was hitting wide open looks when it mattered.

    "The lockout gave me lots of time to consider what was important to me at this stage of my life and career," Battier wrote on Twitter. "Over the last week, I've played out every scenario in my head over and over. It always came back to one thing for me: a winning role."

    This post was edited by steveschneider on 7/6/2012 at 10:06 AM

    Memphis Grizzlies' Shane Battier plans to sign with Miami Heat - ESPN

    Needing to upgrade their bench, the Miami Heat have landed a significant addition in veteran Shane Battier.

    espn.go.com
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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Give in to the NBA... people here hate it while the Pistons are irrelevant, but the league is better than its been in a decade and this year's playoffs were some of the best in recent memory. Next season will be a lot of fun with the Lakers and Nets (maybe) hopefully able to compete with the Heat, Thunder, and Spurs... and who knows about Chicago (we'll see how well Rose comes back) and Boston... another year older, but Pierce and Garnett can still play and if Green comes back and then some of the young talent they have???? Could be interesting.

    Unfortunately, the Pistons are still a little ways off, they might sneak into the playoffs next year

    The haters would do well to stop dwelling on what the NBA isn't (watchable on an every game, every possession basis in the regular season) and start focusing on what it is (loaded with talent that produces some unbelievable postseason and occasional regular season matchups).

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  • Rumors are Dwight Howard is expected to go to the Lakers by the end of the weekend

    jwarsenal9

  • Omar Comin' said...

    The haters would do well to stop dwelling on what the NBA isn't (watchable on an every game, every possession basis in the regular season) and start focusing on what it is (loaded with talent that produces some unbelievable postseason and occasional regular season matchups).

    I typically tune in every year at about the 2nd round of the playoffs. I haven't regretted missing the regular season and I haven't regretted getting caught up in the playoffs. The speed of the game and the quality of the contests is electrifying. It's definitely an amazing sport to take in.

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  • jwarsenal9 said...

    Rumors are Dwight Howard is expected to go to the Lakers by the end of the weekend

    Expect some major ego clashes on that team.

    Dude wants to go somewhere where they are going to run the offense through him, and as we've seen in the past that type of O will create serious locker room tension with Kobe.

    With out Phil Jackson I can't see the Lakers winning it all with Howard but I can see them being contenders.

    This post was edited by steveschneider on 7/6/2012 at 10:10 AM

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  • Omar Comin' said...

    The haters would do well to stop dwelling on what the NBA isn't (watchable on an every game, every possession basis in the regular season) and start focusing on what it is (loaded with talent that produces some unbelievable postseason and occasional regular season matchups).

    Nobody would agree that the NBA dosen't have the best basketball players in the world. Even though team USA has had significant injuries, we will still be the team to beat come 7-27.

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  • steveschneider said...

    Expect some major ego clashes on that team.

    Dude wants to go somewhere where they are going to run the offense through him, and as we've seen in the past that type of O will create serious locker room tension with Kobe.

    With out Phil Jackson I can't see the Lakers winning it all with Howard but I can see them being contenders.

    Kobe will check him at the door. Actually, he already did at the trade deadline. He already made it clear that he's not willing to give the team up no matter what drama filled star comes to LA. There's a reason he openly accepted Steve Nash, who has even better credentials than Howard, and immediately recruited Grant Hill. Howard would be stupid not to accept his role for 2-3 years and take over the Lakers when Nash and Kobe retire.

    The second Howard lands in LA there will be all kinds of vets for the Lakers to choose from at the vet min exception and probably a solid contributor at the mid level exception. The Heat definitely have dynasty written all over them but if you think a big 3 at SG/PF/SF is going to beat a big 3 at PG/SG/C, it's not likely.

    The same guy who broke Nash to LA is also reporting Grant Hill agreed to sign with the team. If they land Howard and find a way to dump some salary in Artest, things are really going to get interesting.

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  • Goud21 said...

    Because Howard is going to want a max deal after next season. They can't afford to have Howard, Durant, and Westbrook all on max deals, which means they would be renting Howard for a year and have to give up a good young center and their 6th man for one year's service. If there was a way to keep all 3 long term, I'm sure they would have done it in a heart beat

    I hear ya, but I truly believe they should have taken the win now approach and possibly have won 2 NBA titles. Even if they couldn't afford D. Howard because of the nba cap. They still would have been two time NBA champions. I hate to say it but the miami heat are just too talented right now.

    Haters gonna hate!

    TempleSpartan

  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Plus... howard has this back thing and he's a primadonna who... even though a seemingly good christian guy, creates more drama than necessary. I've never been impressed with Howard's motor. It feels like the dude should be more dominant offensively than he's been, but he gets in a ton of foul trouble. Dude is a monster on the glass, but I think Ibaka and Harden are good investments over the long haul... the only question is whether or not they can keep Harden, Durant, and Westbrook...

    I agree that dwight howard is a Tim tebow Christian athlete. However, howard, durant and westbrook are the only 3 players in nba that can compete with wade, Lebron, and bosh.

    Haters gonna hate!

    TempleSpartan

  • GoHard24 said...

    Kobe will check him at the door. Actually, he already did at the trade deadline. He already made it clear that he's not willing to give the team up no matter what drama filled star comes to LA. There's a reason he openly accepted Steve Nash, who has even better credentials than Howard, and immediately recruited Grant Hill. Howard would be stupid not to accept his role for 2-3 years and take over the Lakers when Nash and Kobe retire.

    The second Howard lands in LA there will be all kinds of vets for the Lakers to choose from at the vet min exception and probably a solid contributor at the mid level exception. The Heat definitely have dynasty written all over them but if you think a big 3 at SG/PF/SF is going to beat a big 3 at PG/SG/C, it's not likely.

    The same guy who broke Nash to LA is also reporting Grant Hill agreed to sign with the team. If they land Howard and find a way to dump some salary in Artest, things are really going to get interesting.

    I don't know Howard seems like a royal douche as of late. The coach of the Lakers is really going to need to manage some egos. Any chance Phil Jackson comes back?

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    steveschneider

  • steveschneider said...

    I don't know Howard seems like a royal douche as of late. The coach of the Lakers is really going to need to manage some egos. Any chance Phil Jackson comes back?

    Mike Brown is pretty soft when he's coaching. If anything it'll have to be Kobe and Artest keeping him in check. Not many Lakers fans are happy with Mike Brown, mainly do to his stagnant offense that didn't work in Cleveland and didn't work in his first year in LA. With Nash you really need to be creative and run a lot of high ball screens/pick and rolls. I'm not sure what Brown has in mind but he's going to have to change something. Bynum isn't the guy you want to run those through either where as Howard would fit perfectly.

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