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Delany backs "Top Six" playoff model, UM opposes playoff

  • Spartan2k said...

    Then really what they should do is just get rid of divisions in the SEC, and have the SEC conference semis and championship game be the national semis and national championship. If playing in the regular season doesn't count, and the SEC is the best conference, this is what would end up happening anyway.

    Who said the regular season doesn't count? Of course it counts...how you play in the regular season determines where you rank...and if you make it to the conf championship.

    And you would have to have a contingency for wild card teams and a minimum ranking...kinda like what Delaney suggested. Because no way do I want a fluke SEC champion with four losses getting into the Football Four over an undefeated Alabama team.

    Chitown_Badger

  • Even though M gets a bid in 2006, I have no problem with that.

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  • Chitown_Badger said...

    I kind of disagree, and would use this year as an example. The two best teams were in the same conference, so if you're opening it up to more than two, I'm ok with two of the four being from the same conference. Then you could either set them opposite each other so that they have to earn their rematch for the title. Or make them play in round 1 so that only one comes out of that conference into the final.

    I disagree with you. I do not believe the 2 best teams were in the same conference. But the system is flawed and that gave Bama a chance. The same thing is going to happen with a 4 team playoff. You are going to have anywhere from 1-3 no brainers in terms of who belongs in the 4 team playoff. The last spot or 2 is going to be what the same as it was determining who LSU was going to play this past season. You will have a handful of teams all with a legitimate case of being there, and no good way to let them in. Still, this is a step in the right direction.

    How could a fluke 4 loss SEC Champion get in over an undefeated Bama team?

    Also, if you do not make your conference championship game, you should not be considered for BCS spot unless the team that represented your side is in a BCS game.

    Iknowmorethanu

  • Larry Kazamias said...

    It has to be champs only if its only 4. I'd be happier with a selection committee than the polls.

    I like the "champs only" model if it freezes out nd.

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  • 4 teams, presumably of 6 BCS conf champs.

    This year you'd have had LSU, Wisc, Oregon, and Ok St.

    I'd live with that.

    Larry Kazamias ●

  • Mobile sucks, that was in response to Clem and WVU.

    Also, for others, I'll take my chances with a selection committee looking at SOS, RPI type things etc as opposed to the damn polls where starting position and when you lose (because you have to drop 9-10 spots unless you're in the $EC) reigns.

    Larry Kazamias ●

  • Chase649 said...

    8 team playoff. First round at the higher seeds home field. Round two at the major Bowl locations...Fiesta, Orange, Rose Bowl etc. Championship game at a major bowl site (Fiesta, Orange, Rose, on a rotating basis.) Keep the lesser bowls intact for the also rans; but played before the playoffs start. Cut the season down to 11 games. Total possible games would be 14, same as it is now.

    end the GD thing at or around January 1st.

    Nice! Very easy to execute, too.

    Just one thing...no need to cut the season down to 11 games. You're penalizing 100+ schools because of 8 teams advancing. College football is still underscheduled as it is, so there's still room to grow.

    This post was edited by tVargMan Prime on 5/4/2012 at 4:54 PM

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  • Mog said...

    So under Delany's plan of 4 conference champions (capping lowest rank at 6) this is how I think the last 6 years would have gone. If at large spots are available because there are not 4 conference champs in the top 6, then I'm assuming highest BCS ranking gets the at large.

    That would have been amazing.

    PPTPW51983 ●

  • Chase649 said...

    8 team playoff. First round at the higher seeds home field. Round two at the major Bowl locations...Fiesta, Orange, Rose Bowl etc. Championship game at a major bowl site (Fiesta, Orange, Rose, on a rotating basis.) Keep the lesser bowls intact for the also rans; but played before the playoffs start. Cut the season down to 11 games. Total possible games would be 14, same as it is now.

    end the GD thing at or around January 1st.

    Get rid of the corrupt bowl system and rotate games among Northern stadiums and you have something.

    PPTPW51983 ●

  • Iknowmorethanu said...

    I disagree with you. I do not believe the 2 best teams were in the same conference. But the system is flawed and that gave Bama a chance. The same thing is going to happen with a 4 team playoff. You are going to have anywhere from 1-3 no brainers in terms of who belongs in the 4 team playoff. The last spot or 2 is going to be what the same as it was determining who LSU was going to play this past season. You will have a handful of teams all with a legitimate case of being there, and no good way to let them in. Still, this is a step in the right direction.

    How could a fluke 4 loss SEC Champion get in over an undefeated Bama team?

    Also, if you do not make your conference championship game, you should not be considered for BCS spot unless the team that represented your side is in a BCS game.

    I was talking about a situation where you get a 4 loss South Carolina team coming into the SEC championship and beating a previously undefeated, top 2 Alabama team (so at that point Bama would be a 1 loss team). In my humble opinion, Alabama is still deserving of a spot in the Football Four because they've proven over the course of the season that they are one of the best four teams.

    Chitown_Badger

  • When you get $20MM+ for going to an at large BCS game you understand why they don't want a playoff. Money grubbing at its finest.

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  • beal99 said...

    When you get $20MM+ for going to an at large BCS game you understand why they don't want a playoff. Money grubbing at its finest.

    Here's the thing though...would this new system necessarily reduce our cut of the pie, or would it grow the pie? Because I'm thinking the Rose Bowl would still exist, right? So could there be a situation where the B1G champ goes to the Football Four (I'm going to keep saying it), and the conf gets the cut of that money, and the conference also keeps their tie in with the Rose Bowl and we get that cut of the money? It would kind of be like having two BCS teams from one conference. In the event that the B1G champ isn't ranked highly enough to make the tourney, they just go to the Rose Bowl as in past years.

    Chitown_Badger

  • its time the "little 10" stepped up and forced this beanbag out for still trying to make OSU and scUM the big thing

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  • Chitown_Badger said...

    I was talking about a situation where you get a 4 loss South Carolina team coming into the SEC championship and beating a previously undefeated, top 2 Alabama team (so at that point Bama would be a 1 loss team). In my humble opinion, Alabama is still deserving of a spot in the Football Four because they've proven over the course of the season that they are one of the best four teams.

    Sometimes the best team is not the champion, and sometimes the champion is not the best team. In an arbitrary system where all teams can't be compared head to head there is no real way to tell who the best team actually is. What if the SEC is down in your scenario and no one can tell because they are comparing themselves against themselves and a very limited sample size?
    The system needs to limit perception from deciding a champion as much as possible and by rewarding a team for not choking in a champ game or loading up on weak non con opponents and running out of gas in a conference season you can accomplish this to a small degree.

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  • RPMadMSU said...

    Even though M gets a bid in 2006, I have no problem with that.

    Good call. A rematch against OSU wouldn't have broken my heart. Helluva game that M could have (maybe even should have) won. Wasn't it Columbus native Shawn Grable who hit Smith late in that game to allow OSU to keep possessions and win?

    Big John Studd ●

  • Big John Studd said...

    Good call. A rematch against OSU wouldn't have broken my heart. Helluva game that M could have (maybe even should have) won. Wasn't it Columbus native Shawn Grable who hit Smith late in that game to allow OSU to keep possessions and win?

    Ohio State out played Michigan in that game...the score was closer than the actual game, but Ohio State should have won it by a bigger margin.

    tVargMan Prime ●

  • Chitown_Badger said...

    I was talking about a situation where you get a 4 loss South Carolina team coming into the SEC championship and beating a previously undefeated, top 2 Alabama team (so at that point Bama would be a 1 loss team). In my humble opinion, Alabama is still deserving of a spot in the Football Four because they've proven over the course of the season that they are one of the best four teams.

    That's why there's a minimum ranking to get into the playoff. South Carolina would have to win the SEC and be ranked in the top 6 which is impossible with 4 losses. Alabama might be able to get in as a wildcard if their only loss of the season came to South Carolina in the SEC Championship.

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  • Iknowmorethanu said...

    I disagree with you. I do not believe the 2 best teams were in the same conference. But the system is flawed and that gave Bama a chance.

    Bama and LSU were far and away the 2 best teams last year. Who do you think was better than either of them?

    Rodeo Burger

  • Rodeo Burger said...

    Bama and LSU were far and away the 2 best teams last year. Who do you think was better than either of them?

    Agreed. That's why, since it was obviously ok that the two best teams in the country were from the same conference in a two team tournament, why would you abolish that when the tournament is expanded to include more teams?!

    Chitown_Badger

  • Chase649 said...

    8 team playoff. First round at the higher seeds home field. Round two at the major Bowl locations...Fiesta, Orange, Rose Bowl etc. Championship game at a major bowl site (Fiesta, Orange, Rose, on a rotating basis.) Keep the lesser bowls intact for the also rans; but played before the playoffs start. Cut the season down to 11 games. Total possible games would be 14, same as it is now.

    end the GD thing at or around January 1st.

    +1 that's the best plan I've seen yet.

    y2kMgrad

  • lol, throwing under the bus or not he is making UM look like the only people worse than him.

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  • y2kMgrad said...

    +1 that's the best plan I've seen yet.

    This.

    Except for the reduction of the season to 11 games. No need to reduce revenue for the other 100+ other programs out there just for a 3 weekend tournament that reduces in half each after each round.

    tVargMan Prime ●

  • Although it seems like decades ago, it wasn't too long ago that scum and to$u were #1 and #2 going into the final weekend of the year. Would Delany have opposed his two darlings making a 4 team playoff?

    BigGreenHouse

  • @Mog. Great post, also shows the B10 would only have 3 teams total in the last 6 years....hopefully Delaney blows this shit up. Can you imagine very other year there being ZERO B10 teams in the national final 4. 4 team is not good at all for the B10.

    This post was edited by SD Spartan on 5/4/2012 at 5:53 PM

    SD Spartan

  • SD Spartan said...

    @Mog. Great post, also shows the B10 would only have 3 teams total in the last 6 years....hopefully Delaney blows this shit up. Can you imagine very other year there being ZERO B10 teams in the national final 4. 4 team is not good at all for the B10.

    The BCS in its current state is not good for the B1G as witnessed by the abortion of a game that was Michigan vs. Virginia Tech.

    Izzo Court ●

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