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Delvon Roe as Trayvon Martin

  • unibrow said...

    Step away from the ledge lol

    -1 wahhhhh

    "Losing Benenoch is a mortal blow from which this program can't recover"-T-Pain

    Rogue Leader

  • What I hate is people who think a little bit differently than me. Spartan or not - if anyone dares to have an opinion on a political issue that I don't agree with/understand - I'm too insecure to handle that, so I'm throwing him under the bus.

    Cym Jim

  • Rogue Leader said...

    -1 wahhhhh

    And there it is. lol

    You can tell he's beside himself that people think a black man didn't deserve to be gunned down.

    "Losing Benenoch is a mortal blow from which this program can't recover"-T-Pain

    Rogue Leader

  • Imisspancheros said...

    hate to say it...but Delvon is not going to be a good actor.

    The fact that no one flipped out on you for this is a pretty good indication that this thread should have gone to wells a real long time ago.

    TravisotCosmos

  • Gomer said...

    Link. You didn't compile that yourself.

    I never said I did. It was compiled by an Australian reporter from the Sydney Daily News who cited US Department of Justice statistics in his report. Just curious, do you think these are made up statistics?

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    I never said I did. It was compiled by an Australian reporter from the Sydney Daily News who cited US Department of Justice statistics in his report. Just curious, do you think these are made up statistics?

    So your source was the article, not the U.S. Dept. of Stats.

    C-

    Learn to cite sources correctly.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • GreenMeany said...

    Call me slow, if you must, but I still don't get your point. So you're saying Zimmerman wasn't white and that's important because, um, more whites are victimized by blacks than the other way around? Honestly, I really don't get your point.

    The point is that yes, Hispanic is a quasi-racial category. Not sure if you saw Zimmerman's voting registration but it asks for his race and he selected "Hispanic" as his race, it's availble online if you don't believe me. And as the dispatcher also asked Zimmerman if the suspicious looking person was black, white or Hispanic, so there's that too....

    fallenangle

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    So your source was the article, not the U.S. Dept. of Stats.

    C-

    Learn to cite sources correctly.

    You're a petty little boy

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    The point is that yes, Hispanic is a quasi-racial category. Not sure if you saw Zimmerman's voting registration but it asks for his race and he selected "Hispanic" as his race, it's availble online if you don't believe me. And as the dispatcher also asked Zimmerman if the suspicious looking person was black, white or Hispanic, so there's that too....

    lol

    just because you and Zimmerman both have little understanding of the concept of "race" does not make "Hispanic" a "quasi-racial category".

    Are people from Italy a quasi-race? France? Poland? Spain? Portugal?

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • fallenangle said...

    You're a petty little boy

    People who can't admit they are wrong usually do very well in life. Congrats!

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • fallenangle said...

    The point is that yes, Hispanic is a quasi-racial category. Not sure if you saw Zimmerman's voting registration but it asks for his race and he selected "Hispanic" as his race, it's availble online if you don't believe me. And as the dispatcher also asked Zimmerman if the suspicious looking person was black, white or Hispanic, so there's that too....

    I'm honestly asking this question, because I don't know the answer. Isn't Zimmerman's mother Peruvian and his father white? Even assuming that hispanic is a race as opposed to an ethnicity, that would make Zimmerman just as much white as hispanic. He's biracial.

    With all of that said, I don't care at all whether Zimmerman is white or hispanic or biracial. I just think it's interesting to see how fired up both sides get about his race while saying that this shouldn't be an issue about race.

    Dr Klopek19856

  • StylesGShmooth said...

    Honestly I don't think he shot him because he was black. I think he followed him because he was black and because he's a vigilante wannabe-cop with issues and he created a situation he wasn't ready for and paniced and now a kid walking home is dead. I aslo think if the Sanford PD had launched a real investigation right away this wouldn't even have been an issue. I, also, can't for the life of me figure out why this thing is somehow political (right vs left) or why you have to be racist to fall on one side or the other. Either you think Zimmerman fucked up or you don't, I personally think he did. Which I guess makes me a racist lefty.

    Im with this completely. For whatever the reason, we know that Zimmerman fucked up, and an unarmed kid is dead.

    I am certainly not racist. I am 1/4 Lebanese and am neither a Lawyer or a 7-11 cashier, so I dont even fit my own demographic.

    I think Delvon has a right to say what he wants on this subject, and any other. I applaud it.

    EDIT: but I also have to add that I believe Zimmerman pays for this in the court of his own mind worse than he will pay in the court of law. This will, and should eat at him for his entire life. It would if it were me.

    This post was edited by GatorBill on 4/16/2012 at 1:20 PM

    If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. Jimmy Valvano

    GatorBill ●

  • Dr. Klopek said...

    I'm honestly asking this question, because I don't know the answer. Isn't Zimmerman's mother Peruvian and his father white? Even assuming that hispanic is a race as opposed to an ethnicity, that would make Zimmerman just as much white as hispanic. He's biracial.

    With all of that said, I don't care at all whether Zimmerman is white or hispanic or biracial. I just think it's interesting to see how fired up both sides get about his race while saying that this shouldn't be an issue about race.

    Yes that is true. Just like Obama's father is black and his mother was white, but Obama still refers to himself as black and as documented Zimmerman refers to himself as hispanic. He had the chance to list himself as white on his voter registration and did not. So yes you can say he is bi-racial by your definition, just as your definition would also make Obama bi-racial, but I never hear Obama referred to as anything but black, so if Zimmerman refers to himself as Hispanic I think it's only normal that others do as well

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    Yes that is true. Just like Obama's father is black and his mother was white, but Obama still refers to himself as black and as documented Zimmerman refers to himself as hispanic. He had the chance to list himself as white on his voter registration and did not. So yes you can say he is bi-racial by your definition, just as your definition would also make Obama bi-racial, but I never hear Obama referred to as anything but black, so if Zimmerman refers to himself as Hispanic I think it's only normal that others do as well

    It's normal that Zimmerman would refer to himself as Hispanic, but that's not a racial identifier.

    RACE AND ETHNICITY ARE DISTINCT AND SEPARATE. HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE! IT IS AN ETHNICITY!!!

    kids these days...

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    It's normal that Zimmerman would refer to himself as Hispanic, but that's not a racial identifier.

    RACE AND ETHNICITY ARE DISTINCT AND SEPARATE. HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE! IT IS AN ETHNICITY!!!

    kids these days...

    What are you so intent on wanting him to be white? Nobody is saying race and ethnicity are the same, the poster was nuanced enough to use the word "quasi" which was understood by everybody but you apparently. Let me guess, he's not really a Democrat either even though he put that down on his voter registration....

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    What are you so intent on wanting him to be white? Nobody is saying race and ethnicity are the same, the poster was nuanced enough to use the word "quasi" which was understood by everybody but you apparently. Let me guess, he's not really a Democrat either even though he put that down on his voter registration....

    It's not a matter of me "wanting" him to be white. It's a matter of what the truth is and you spreading disinformation. It's like you're just making shit up.

    HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE! IT IS NOT A QUASI-RACE! IT IS AN ETHNICITY!

    I'll ask again: Are people from Italy a "quasi-race"? France? Poland? Spain? Portugal?

    Why you insist on speaking on topics about which you obviously know nearly nothing is beyond me. I guess you just like to read your own words?

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    It's not a matter of me "wanting" him to be white. It's a matter of what the truth is and you spreading disinformation. It's like you're just making shit up.

    HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE! IT IS NOT A QUASI-RACE! IT IS AN ETHNICITY!

    I'll ask again: Are people from Italy a "quasi-race"? France? Poland? Spain? Portugal?

    Why you insist on speaking on topics about which you obviously know nearly nothing is beyond me. I guess you just like to read your own words?

    According to the State of Florida what race is Zimmerman?

    And your question makes no sense, there are lots of different races of people in Italy...nobody is saying he's Quasi-Peruvian so your comparison is stupid

    This post was edited by fallenangle on 4/16/2012 at 2:00 PM

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    According to the State of Florida what race is Zimmerman?

    U.S. constitution calls for the FEDERAL government to perform the demographic census.

    Florida: According to the 2005 census, the racial distributions are as follows; 60.1% White, 17% African-American, 2.1% Asian American, 1.4% others (American Indians), and the remaining 18% are Hispanics or Latino (of any race).

    Hispanics may be of any race, so also are included in applicable race categories.

    source: U.S. census Bureau & Wiki

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    It's not a matter of me "wanting" him to be white. It's a matter of what the truth is and you spreading disinformation. It's like you're just making shit up.

    HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE! IT IS NOT A QUASI-RACE! IT IS AN ETHNICITY!

    I'll ask again: Are people from Italy a "quasi-race"? France? Poland? Spain? Portugal?

    Why you insist on speaking on topics about which you obviously know nearly nothing is beyond me. I guess you just like to read your own words?


    The answer is yes, some of the ethnicities you mentioned were considered almost racial designations at one point in U.S. history. Better examples would be the Irish and Jews. You seem to think "race" is a much more stable category than it really is. It's a social construct, and various categories evolve over time.

    "Look at this. An entire generation of Cinderellas, and there's no glass slipper coming." -- Mother in ALMOST FAMOUS

    GreenMeany

  • fallenangle said...

    According to the State of Florida what race is Zimmerman?

    And your question makes no sense, there are lots of different races of people in Italy...nobody is saying he's Quasi-Peruvian so your comparison is stupid

    So what you are saying that people of different races who live in Spanish speaking countries make up a single race. But not in Italian speaking countries or French speaking countries, etc.. Yeah, that makes sense.

    Is a light switching on?

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    U.S. constitution calls for the FEDERAL government to perform the demographic census.

    Florida: According to the 2005 census, the racial distributions are as follows; 60.1% White, 17% African-American, 2.1% Asian American, 1.4% others (American Indians), and the remaining 18% are Hispanics or Latino (of any race).

    Hispanics may be of any race, so also are included in applicable race categories.

    source: U.S. census Bureau & Wiki


    Yes. This is why the term "Hispanic White" (derided by the right) actually makes sense.

    "Look at this. An entire generation of Cinderellas, and there's no glass slipper coming." -- Mother in ALMOST FAMOUS

    GreenMeany

  • GreenMeany said...

    The answer is yes, some of the ethnicities you mentioned were considered almost racial designations at one point in U.S. history. Better examples would be the Irish and Jews. You seem to think "race" is a much more stable category than it really is. It's a social construct, and various categories evolve over time.

    and at one time African born slaves were seen as 3/5 of a person. The Earth was once thought to be flat, that doesn't hurt the crediblity of those who today believe it is round.

    I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about today.

    I repeat: Hispanic is not a race, it is not a quasi-race, it is an ethnicity. If you have something to add to that or something relevent to dispute it, please do.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • if only there were a board where people could discuss these things ad naseum.

    AMwood

  • GreenMeany said...

    Yes. This is why the term "Hispanic White" (derided by the right) actually makes sense.

    The term makes sense in describing ethnicity and race.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    The term makes sense in describing ethnicity and race.

    Right. But that doesn't mean the category "race" is not problematic. I'm at work. I'll try to find a good article when I get home. (No promises.)

    "Look at this. An entire generation of Cinderellas, and there's no glass slipper coming." -- Mother in ALMOST FAMOUS

    GreenMeany

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