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Did 9/11 really ruin the airline industry?

  • Schadenfreude said...

    How many miles per year do you have to fly to get to Diamond? Thinking about doing a status match from United Global Services.

    125,000 miles a year to get Diamond.

    Last year I finished with over 200k. I had 20k from my Delta Credit Card (for every $20k you spend/pay off you get 10k MQM) and 40k roll over from the previous year.

    So far this year, I am at 130k (including the 70k roll over from last year). Based on my travel in my pipeline and planned trips, I will finish around 210k this year.

    Its a lifestyle for sure, one you have to get used to.

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    Hank Moody

  • Hank Moody said...

    125,000 miles a year to get Diamond.

    Last year I finished with over 200k. I had 20k from my Delta Credit Card (for every $20k you spend/pay off you get 10k MQM) and 40k roll over from the previous year.

    So far this year, I am at 130k (including the 70k roll over from last year). Based on my travel in my pipeline and planned trips, I will finish around 210k this year.

    Its a lifestyle for sure, one you have to get used to.

    Rollover miles rock. I finished last year with 386,000 miles so I've status matched over to United/Continental now to build some equity there (future work looks like United status could be useful).

    I despise traveling this much, but if I'm flying this much I'll take whatever additional perks I can manage.

    Zapp Brannigan ●

  • Zapp Brannigan said...

    Rollover miles rock. I finished last year with 386,000 miles so I've status matched over to United/Continental now to build some equity there (future work looks like United status could be useful).

    I despise traveling this much, but if I'm flying this much I'll take whatever additional perks I can manage.

    Dude. That is awesome. How does that status match work? I was told about it, but never looked into it.

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    Hank Moody

  • One of the last times I flew I was at my last stop before heading home and tried to get on an earlier flight that wasn't full. They wanted to charge me 150-200 bucks to change, so obviously I passed on that and just waited for my flight.

    when it comes time for my flight, its completely booked and they are offering people $500 vouchers to not fly...WTF morans could have had me on an earlier flight and not wasted all that time/money with offering vouchers

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  • Hank Moody said...

    Dude. That is awesome. How does that status match work? I was told about it, but never looked into it.

    It varies depending upon the airline. For United, you send in the request and they challenge you to fly a certain number of miles or segments in 90 days. I status matched Delta Diamond to United 1K with 2 round trips to SE Asia and had plenty of miles to spare.

    I'm a bit concerned about maintaining that status, as I need 100K on United/Continental to maintain. The status match also doesn't grant you the system-wide upgrades, so you don't immediately get to start bumping up into business class. They will give you immediate access to premium economy so that is a big plus.

    Details at the link below. They say they will only match you to Premier Platinum but I matched to 1K.

    United Airlines - Offer

    http://www.united.com/web/en-US/apps/mileageplus/promotions/registrationDetails.aspx?promoCode=TB8230

    www.united.com

    Zapp Brannigan ●

  • Schadenfreude said...

    How many miles per year do you have to fly to get to Diamond? Thinking about doing a status match from United Global Services.

    Not sure where you are based but AA is matching UGS and 1Ks from UA to Exec. Platinum right now. Smart move given how United has botched the merger.

    Delta is pretty good for domestic travel. I stay away mostly b/c skymiles are worthless and SkyTeam is just a collection of airlines that Star and OneWorld didn't want. I try to fly internationally on Asian or European carriers and credit back to UA (or AA) so the alliances are a major point for me.

    Spartan007

  • Zapp Brannigan said...

    Rollover miles rock. I finished last year with 386,000 miles so I've status matched over to United/Continental now to build some equity there (future work looks like United status could be useful).

    I despise traveling this much, but if I'm flying this much I'll take whatever additional perks I can manage.

    If you enjoy upgrades, wait until their systems get settled, there's a TON of issues still. And this is coming from someone who flies over 230k a year.

    Schadenfreude

  • Spartan007 said...

    Not sure where you are based but AA is matching UGS and 1Ks from UA to Exec. Platinum right now. Smart move given how United has botched the merger.

    Delta is pretty good for domestic travel. I stay away mostly b/c skymiles are worthless and SkyTeam is just a collection of airlines that Star and OneWorld didn't want. I try to fly internationally on Asian or European carriers and credit back to UA (or AA) so the alliances are a major point for me.

    Toronto. Air Canada is okay, but they don't have the destinations that United does (I was a Continental/Air Canada flier prior to the merger).

    This post was edited by Schadenfreude on 5/4/2012 at 1:37 PM

    Schadenfreude

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    This post was edited by flyinguju on 5/4/2012 at 1:41 PM

    flyinguju

  • Colonel Forbin said...

    There are multiple reasons for why the industry is so effed.

    Brodson brought up the tax issue, which is a huge part of it. Airlines face multiple fees from the government, the airports, etc that are tacked on to their ticket prices. They lower their airfare in an effort to minimize those fees. They then tack on outrageous fees for carry ons because that is pure profit for them. It is worth mentioning, however that Southwest had some of the best profit margins of any carrier this past quarter. What that tells you is that Southwest has a model that works and entices people to fly. While they might not have the best rates, their no baggage fee and no good seat fee is highly enticing to people.

    It's worth noting that gas prices are not an issue but rather an excuse to get higher profit as airlines practice fuel hedging and lock in at certain rates just like people do out east with heating fuel. Any time airlines use higher fuel prices as an excuse for increasing fares is an absolute load of shit.

    People threw a fit over the bank bailout and auto bailout, yet there was no backlash from the massive airline bailout post 9/11. I find it outrageously hypcritical that people vow to never drive a GM or Chrysler, yet have zero problem flying on an airline that received a bailout.

    Reduction in oversight, while reducing fares, has created a bigger headache. Airlines are not run efficiently. They intentionally overbook flights and play a numbers game that a certain percentage will miss their flight. This bites them in the ass constantly and ends up costing them money because they have to offer compensation to displaced passengers.

    Airlines are run so horribly because there aren't many options when it comes to carriers any longer and the United States is so large geographically. Things are much better with European carriers. Europe also has a vastly superior rail system that makes taking rail a viable alternative to places that are just a few hundred miles away from you. As mentioned, the development of an efficient rail system in the populated geographic clusters in this country would go a long way to forcing the airlines to clean up their acts.

    You are a moron with an opinion about overbookings and absolutely no concept of inventory management. Plese refrain from saying the first idiotic thing that comes to your mind.

    flyinguju

  • Schadenfreude said...

    How many miles per year do you have to fly to get to Diamond? Thinking about doing a status match from United Global Services.

    Can't status match to Global Services. 1K yes

    flyinguju

  • i have a crapload of united miles but only fly delta now...is there a way to transfer those?

    Brodson

  • flyinguju said...

    You are a moron with an opinion about overbookings and absolutely no concept of inventory management. Plese refrain from saying the first idiotic thing that comes to your mind.

    Okay tough guy. Yeah, airlines don't ever intentionally overbook. I haven't received thousands in flight vouchers or anything because of oversold flights. Would you care to discount anything else I said in your well penned retort?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Colonel Forbin on 5/4/2012 at 3:38 PM

    Colonel Forbin

  • Colonel Forbin said...

    Okay tough guy. Yeah, airlines don't ever intentionally overbook. I haven't received thousands in flight vouchers or anything because of oversold flights. Would you care to discount anything else I said in your well penned retort?

    Airlines DO INTENTIONALLY overbook. It's called risk/reward, people don't show up for flights so you'd rather overbook and take the risk on vouchers.

    Last flights of the day are typically not overbooked to the same extent as earlier flights in the day.

    flyinguju

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