MSU Red Cedar Message Board

Payne has worked so hard to get where he is academically, it would be a shame for him to quit before he graduates. Basketball wise I think he's ready though.

Harris can probably go whenever he wants too. I have no idea if he wants to stay or not.

Dawson has way too many holes in his game to work on, him going after this season would be an extremely bad idea. He needs at least a summer to develop on a jump shot if he wants to make it in the NBA at his size.

Gotta think turning the ball over any time Oladipo looks at you, or whenever you dribble near anyone within 15' of the rim isn't a huge plus in the Scouts minds when evaluating a 2/3 for the next level.

I don't really buy into that.

I think it raises their profile among fans (and talking heads) if they have a big Tourney, but the scouts do this for a living. Scouts find players in Europe, Africa and South America. If an NBA scout didn't know who Adrien Payne or Gary Harris was before the NCAAT, he'd be the worst scout ever. They start keeping tabs on hundreds of players at AAU tournaments when these guys are in their early teens.

The bloggers and talking heads aren't mentioning names to show you how smart they are, they're mentioning names because it will get the attention of a fan base. They could just as easily talk about some Euro that is moving up draft boards, but they don't bother to find out who those guys are because their audience doesn't GAF.

If Harris and Payne both are rated first round I think they go. Hope to be pleasantly surprised as I think another year would be good for MSU and help improve their stock.

Dawson has a ton of things to work on and really needs at least one more year here and a full healthy summer of shooting and ball handling. Not a knock on the kid but losing last summer to injury recovery really hurt him. He needed that development time.

Talk about a completely ignorant opinion. Harris is likely to stay barring him going absolutely nuts in the tourney and MSU wining the whole thing. Payne has stated MULTIPLE times that he wasnts to come back and get his degree, that it's very important to him. Would be utterly surprised if he went.

Burke isn't as much of a lock to go pro as you think. He's probably gone, but not 100%. Hardaway is tougher. He is 50/50 going pro at best, and Id guess hes leaning towards coming back.

The thought of GRIII going pro right now is more laughable than Dawson going pro.

i disagree with you about Payne moving up in the draft if he stays for his senior season. here is why.
i feel that a big part of Payne's success this year is because of Nix. Nix is a senior with a great low post game that takes A LOT of attention off of Payne, letting Payne move around more on offensive. Next year if Payne stays, all he has on the other side is the sophomore Costello and Gauna. I think having Nix on the floor with him this year allows Payne to show the NBA his true skills and growth potential. Not sure Payne would thrive as much next year and if his stats were to the say the same, the NBA could view that as a negative. I think Payne is at highest collegiate peak this year and he should go pro if he wants to maximize his draft stock and earn a bigger contract. If Payne is not worried about the NBA so much and really wants the degree, than its his choice to make.

Kevin Garnett is more accurate stylistic comparison. Or young Rasheed.

Its unfortunate that the comparisions aren't realistic since Payne only has the 25 minute capacity lungs.

Seems to have gotten a bit better. I think he played ~32 mins and checked Thomas when we beat OSU.

HA HA HA yeah right, with zero 2013 recruits?

are you serious clark? there isnt a single recruit coming in for 2013-2014?

I disagree. I think Costello and Gauna will both command enough attention on offense to allow Payne to play his game. I don't necessarily think Costello/Gauna will always warrant a double team (though I certainly wouldn't put it out of the question in some games if they're hot) but they're not Idong Ibok either, no offense intended.