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Do any RCMB users flip houses?

  • I have been wanting to do this for about two years as I have many friends that are successful at it. I have a lot of questions so I figured I would start here. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

    1. How much time/energy does it take?
    2. What are the potholes you need to watch out for?
    3. Overall, is it worth it?

    SH3

  • Yes. Now is a great time to flip houses.

    Want to buy mine?

    NigelUno

  • One of my friends did this for awhile...he lost a TON of money doing it. Just be careful

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    Viggo_Martyr

  • Yes. I will buy it for $50,000 sight unseen.

    SH3

  • SH3 said...

    Yes. I will buy it for $500,000 sight unseen.

    Fixed.

    I accept.

    NigelUno

  • In this market? I wish you luck lol

    Servo

  • If you have "many friends that are successful at it" then why would you start here and not ask your "many friends" first???

    Marv Merchants

  • Like any new business startup, it's going to be a lot more work than you anticipate. Be sure to have a good amount of money saved up for living expenses if you're planning on doing this as your primary job. Also be ready to work 10-12 hours/day, 7 days/week in the beginning. I don't personally flip houses, but I have looked into it.

    1. I'd recommend becomming friends with a realtor so they can help you assess what houses are selling for in the area where you're looking to flip. Don't just rely on what people are listing the houses for, but actually investigate & find out what recent houses have "sold" for.

    2. If youre qualified, try and do as much of the work yourself. Dealing with contractors can be a nightmare. If you must hire out, I've had really good luck hiring guys off of Craigslist. Most of them work for larger construction companies, but will do work on the side to help supplement their income. You'll get the same work for quite a bit less $.

    3. Lastly, be sure to follow all local building codes/permit requirements. These can end up being a MAJOR problem if you don't know what you're doing.

    Rockhopper

  • Honestly, the people that I know that are successful at flipping houses usually have an appraiser in their back pocket and commit some form of mortgage fraud.

    So, get that lined up first.

    NigelUno

  • NigelUno said...

    Honestly, the people that I know that are successful at flipping houses usually have an appraiser in their back pocket and commit some form of mortgage fraud.

    So, get that lined up first.

    In theory this sounds like a good idea, but im pretty sure home appraisers are randomly asigned so fraud like this cannot be commit.

    Duke Silver

  • Depends on where you are at. In DC, the flippers are doing pretty decent all things considered.

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    Giant Moose

  • NigelUno said...

    Honestly, the people that I know that are successful at flipping houses usually have an appraiser in their back pocket and commit some form of mortgage fraud.

    So, get that lined up first.

    Whaaat? Flippers do not use Appraisers, they conduct their own Value assessment. The people buying the houses are subject to their Lender ordering an Appraisal.

    SD Spartan

  • Marv Merchants said...

    If you have "many friends that are successful at it" then why would you start here and not ask your "many friends" first???

    I was wondering about that myself

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    msusnee

  • RedCedarReaper said...

    In theory this sounds like a good idea, but im pretty sure home appraisers are randomly asigned so fraud like this cannot be commit.

    lol

    NigelUno

  • SD Spartan said...

    Whaaat? Flippers do not use Appraisers, they conduct their own Value assessment. The people buying the houses are subject to their Lender ordering an Appraisal.

    You're talking about people who flip houses after fixing them up a bit.

    I'm talking about people who flip houses and commit mortgage fraud, by having appraisers in their back pocket.

    Semantics maybe.

    NigelUno

  • Not as easy as it was 5 years ago. I have a good friend who started flipping about 7 years ago. Somewhere around middle of 2007-2008 the banks started to want a lot of information from the owner/flipper on the purchase price of the house before the improvements, what improvements were made etc. Right down to wanting to see billing of material and receipts, permits, the whole 9 yards.

    What this did was have the mortgage lender to the buyer start dictating what they saw as a fair profit and limit the amount they would lend on the home. What was a lucrative business went to hell real quick.

    You can make money with the right property but with so many foreclosed and soon to be foreclosed homes as unsold inventory there are a lot fewer decent opportunities out there.

    GRR Spartan

  • Be very careful buying foreclosures in Michigan, in light of Residential Funding Co., LLC v Saurman and the MERS mess

    Servo

  • Pick a good market you are familiar with.

    Next year, we are flipping a house we bought this year, and maybe selling another one or two rentals. We should do OK, but nothing amazing. All our places are in an area we know very well, and we certainly wouldn't be doing this in a down market.

    Don't f up.

    Johnny Alpamayo

  • Marv Merchants said...

    If you have "many friends that are successful at it" then why would you start here and not ask your "many friends" first???

    Just trying to get a larger sample of opinions than the people I know.

    SH3

  • RedCedarReaper said...

    In theory this sounds like a good idea, but im pretty sure home appraisers are randomly asigned so fraud like this cannot be commit.

    They're suppose to be random, but there are ways around that.

    Izzo Court

  • Renting is probably your best bet. Snag up a foreclosure for $30k but $10K into it and rent it for $750/mo. You would probably be looking at roughly $2K a year in non-homestead property taxes in Lansing and a mortgage payment less then $250 a month for a grand total of $416/mo and $334/mo profit minus repairs and maintenance.

    Izzo Court

  • You an still make good money if you have immense knowledge of the purchase area and have reliable subs who do quality work cheaply. I'd estimate that less than 5% of people have the resources to be successful in today's market.

    Al Borland

  • Well, I planned on flipping the house I'm in now. Bought it about 6 years ago, I planned on living there for a couple years and fixing it up, maybe 2 years later. Well, 3 years later I sunk maybe $15k into it but it was worth about half what I paid for it. So, no, I don't plan on doing that again anytime soon.

    But, like Izzo Court said, my mortgage payment is dirt cheap and I could probably make decent money if I rented it out. Just don't really want to move or take any more chances just yet.

    ROtown Sparty

  • Serious question: does flipping houses serve any socially useful purpose, or is it simply the case that the people who are doing the flipping are, in aggregate, adding to the costs of the houses on the market?

    Also, I suspect that many people flipping houses are looking to--or eventually end up looking to--get foreclosures cheap, cheap, cheap. I read an article recently that said some banks are getting incredibly aggressive at foreclosing. I don't pretend to know the ends-and-outs of all this, but I personally would feel like a crap-ass doing that (based on my current knowledge of foreclosure, etc.).

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by GreenMeany on 10/5/2011 at 3:18 PM

    "Look at this. An entire generation of Cinderellas, and there's no glass slipper coming." -- Mother in ALMOST FAMOUS

    GreenMeany

  • GreenMeany said...

    Serious question: does flipping houses serve any socially useful purpose, or is it simply the case that the people who are doing the flipping are, in aggregate, adding to the costs of the houses on the market?

    Also, I suspect that many people flipping houses are looking to--or eventually end up looking to--get foreclosures cheap, cheap, cheap. I read an article recently that said some banks are getting incredibly aggressive at foreclosing. I don't pretend to know the ends-and-outs of all this, but I personally would feel like a crap-ass doing that (based on my current knowledge of foreclosure, etc.).

    It greatly improves the housing stock in a given area. Anyone who is willing to risk their own capital to improve dilapidated housing is a good person in my book.

    Al Borland