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Do you see the education loan bubble ever bursting?

  • I met with the dean of admissions from my grad school a few weeks ago. He was doing recruiting out west and wanted to meet with alumni. Funny because they never recruited at MSU even though it is 4 hours away, but that is another battle. He mentioned that tuition alone has gone up $18K per year since I was there 5 years ago, and every year they are still getting more apps than the year before. On a professional forum, this dude posted how he was going to owe $700k after Stanford undergrad, dental school, and ortho school. What the fuck is wrong with these people? Do they not realize the financial strain this is going to put on them for the rest of their lives...and these "learning institutions" keep on increasing prices and set up these kids for student loans with no consideration of the future repurcussions. They just keep perpetuating the myth that there is only one doctor to take over for every 2 doctors retiring for the foreseeable future. The only way to escape student loans is death or paying them off, but what is going to happen when enough of these people just stop making payments because they simply can't. Are we finally then going to see some sort of regulation on the universities and the lenders. I think it's great that there is funding nowdays unlike 30 years ago for anyone with the desire to learn, but at what point does the government need to intervene and better regulate this current system.

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  • yes, it's already begun. Multiple banks have suspended their student loans because too many people are defaulting.

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  • The Doctor said...

    I met with the dean of admissions from my grad school a few weeks ago. He was doing recruiting out west and wanted to meet with alumni. Funny because they never recruited at MSU even though it is 4 hours away, but that is another battle. He mentioned that tuition alone has gone up $18K per year since I was there 5 years ago, and every year they are still getting more apps than the year before. On a professional forum, this dude posted how he was going to owe $700k after Stanford undergrad, dental school, and ortho school. What the fuck is wrong with these people? Do they not realize the financial strain this is going to put on them for the rest of their lives...and these "learning institutions" keep on increasing prices and set up these kids for student loans with no consideration of the future repurcussions. They just keep perpetuating the myth that there is only one doctor to take over for every 2 doctors retiring for the foreseeable future. The only way to escape student loans is death or paying them off, but what is going to happen when enough of these people just stop making payments because they simply can't. Are we finally then going to see some sort of regulation on the universities and the lenders. I think it's great that there is funding nowdays unlike 30 years ago for anyone with the desire to learn, but at what point does the government need to intervene and better regulate this current system.

    Yes it will. Probably soon too

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  • While I do think there is a bubble, I have never ran into a broke dentist.

    You can always count on spotting a couple of sweet rides outside the dentist's office in the summer

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  • This may create a further division between the rich and the poor. My parents couldn't even afford to send me to MSU, let alone grad school. Without loans, grants, and scholarships, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. If they start limiting funding for professional schools, only the rich are going to be able to send their kids.

    This post was edited by The Doctor on 4/20/2012 at 11:08 AM

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  • The Doctor said...

    This may create a further division between the rich and the poor. My parents couldn't even afford to send me to MSU, let alone grad school. Without loans, grants, and scholarships, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. If they start limiting funding for professional schools, only the rich are going to be able to send their kids.

    Kimd of like the old days. I think the governmemt will bail out the industry before they let a privledge go back to the wealthy.

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  • The Doctor said...

    This may create a further division between the rich and the poor. My parents couldn't even afford to send me to MSU, let alone grad school. Without loans, grants, and scholarships, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. If they start limiting funding for professional schools, only the rich are going to be able to send their kids.

    Or schools can lower their prices.

    DayWalker

  • RPMadMSU said...

    Kimd of like the old days. I think the governmemt will bail out the industry before they let a privledge go back to the wealthy.

    There are already too many lawyers and doctors. Maybe make it more difficult for these private schools to stay afloat, so that the state funded schools with lower tuition are the only ones that survive.

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  • DayWalker said...

    Or schools can lower their prices.

    Easier said than done, I'm sure, but they should start cutting the liberal arts programs with hardly any job prospects. If you want a degree in philosophy then go to some small liberal arts college.

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  • Rich Gozinya said...

    Why would schools voluntarily lower their prices when there are record amounts of applications coming in?

    The only way to make them lower their costs would be to make it more difficult to obtain the loans for their ever increasing astronomically inflated tuition prices.

    This post was edited by The Doctor on 4/20/2012 at 11:21 AM

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  • The Doctor said...

    This may create a further division between the rich and the poor. My parents couldn't even afford to send me to MSU, let alone grad school. Without loans, grants, and scholarships, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. If they start limiting funding for professional schools, only the rich are going to be able to send their kids.

    Loans for professional school aren't going to go away. Those loans always get paid back.

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  • Speaking of bubbles, has anybody ever played Trivial Pursuit with a person that has to live in a bubble because of severe immune deficiencies?

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  • With healthcare they claim there is a shortage of providers for the poor, but really it is a problem with access to care. The government needs to set up more state funded clinics, and for those who need excessive amounts of loans, simply require that they work at one of these clinics for five years upon graduation. Other option would be to get a military scholarship.

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  • The Doctor said...

    This may create a further division between the rich and the poor. My parents couldn't even afford to send me to MSU, let alone grad school. Without loans, grants, and scholarships, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. If they start limiting funding for professional schools, only the rich are going to be able to send their kids.

    Banks will ALWAYS give a loan for someone going to professional school. It's the undergrad loan bubble that will burst.

    Royal

  • The Doctor said...

    With healthcare they claim there is a shortage of providers for the poor, but really it is a problem with access to care. The government needs to set up more state funded clinics, and for those who need excessive amounts of loans, simply require that they work at one of these clinics for five years upon graduation. Other option would be to get a military scholarship.

    they already do this. My brother is about to graduate from a private D.O. school. He is applying to work in an underserved area, and in return the government will help him pay back some of his loans.

    Royal

  • Rich Gozinya said...

    Ask the Cooley graduates whether they're able to pay loans back.......

    The only reason they may be able to now is because of lowered payment programs, that basically keep people in debt forever.

    Law School doesn't count, that bubble already burst. tOP was referring to things like dentistry, PA school, etc.

    Batesianmimicry

  • I thought that textbooks had gotten out of control with so many schools apparently needing a completely new ancient history textbook every other semester.

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  • Good thing my kids are going to be 6'5" and get scholarships for crew, lacrosse, football, golf, and/or quidditch. Or they're going to be rappers.

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  • Royal said...

    Banks will ALWAYS give a loan for someone going to professional school. It's the undergrad loan bubble that will burst.

    1) 2yrs Community College
    2) transfer to 4 yr U.
    3) Collect underpants
    4) ?
    5) profit

    Narwhal

  • Narwhal said...

    1) 2yrs Community College 2) transfer to 4 yr U. 3) Collect underpants 4) ? 5) profit

    +1 for this. You don't need someone with a Ph.D. to teach you the basic shit. Hell, I taught some friends Calculus when I was a freshman. The model for education in this country should be 2-3 semesters at Comm College, then 3 years in your major (or 4 for co-ops).

    Royal

  • What kind of loans are we talking about? Private loans or government loans? Surprisingly, between me and my Vietnamese wife, we have about $150,000 or so in federal loans alone. Some of these loans are under Income Based Repayment. At the current rate we're paying, it doesn't even cover the interest. So the principle is getting bigger every month. But, under the IBR, if you've been paying for 25 years (20 years if you're taking out loans in 2012 I believe), remaining amounts are forgiven. This could be a huge amount of money that is forgiven. Especially since, according to IBR's rules, your payment can never exceed the standard 10 year repayment amount. So, even though you're making bank in year 10, that amount your paying doesn't make up for the capitalized interest from years 0-9.

    I'm not sure when that program began, but take that year and add 25 years to it and there's your answer. Although, I do think the amount of borrowers choosing the IBR has been somewhat low. Likely due to not knowing about it, but I would expect with the recent announcement by Obama of the payments being capped at 10% of AGI and loan forgiveness after 20 years for loans with disbursement dates of 2012 or newer, to see more people signing up for it.

    The biggest problem I see is universities not getting a good handle on their cost of attendance figures. This, in turn, allows private and government loans to be approved in an amount that vastly exceeds what the student really needs. So you've got students taking out more than they need and buying things that aren't related to school expenses. The approval process for student loans consists of you applying for an amount, the loan provider contacting the school to make sure it and the other loans don't exceed the cost of attendance, then approval as long as it's below that figure. If you look at your stuinfo site, it will give you a total cost of attendance number. In many cases, that's way out of proportion with what it really costs. For instance, they have about $1200/month factored in for housing expenses. Unless you have a mortgage on a pretty nice house, you're not actually paying that much while you're in school.

    As for private loans, you're already seeing that bubble burst, although I'm not sure what impact, if any that will have on the market. Those loans are required to be paid back even if bankruptcy is declared (there are some provisions for forgiveness or partial forgiveness, but for the most part, you've still got to pay them). So, it will ruin the student's credit, but they are still pretty safe loans for the lenders because they will get paid back at some point.

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  • Narwhal said...

    1) 2yrs Community College 2) transfer to 4 yr U. 3) Collect underpants 4) ? 5) profit

    That would suck. I met some of my best lifelong friends freshmen year at State. Transferring in as a Junior wouldn't be the same.

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  • Simple solution, stop allowing loans to be subsidized to all of the BS for profit schools that are charging $30k a year for an online degree. I am guessing half if not more than half of these people who enroll in these places are barely MAC level quality. The world needs ditch diggers too!

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  • The Doctor said...

    This may create a further division between the rich and the poor. My parents couldn't even afford to send me to MSU, let alone grad school. Without loans, grants, and scholarships, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. If they start limiting funding for professional schools, only the rich are going to be able to send their kids.

    ...and unfortunately, the privileged have no problem with that.

    We live in a culture where people say, "Screw you! I've already got mine!"

    PPTPW51983

  • -PPTPW- said...

    ...and unfortunately, the privileged have no problem with that.

    We live in a culture where people say, "Screw you! I've already got mine!"

    If you work hard enough, you can accomplish anything whether you come from a privileged background or not. Don't worry what others have or don't have. Focus on creating your own happiness.

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