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"Dookie" v. "Licensed to Ill" - better album?

  • ComeDependState said...

    The Beastie Boys don't belong in a conversation about good albums.

    Well the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame disagrees! Which, admittedly, favors your argument...

    Dr Klopek19856

  • Phil McCrackin said...

    Licensed to Ill > Dookie

    Check your Head > Paul's Boutique > Ill Communication > Licensed to Ill

    American Idiot > Dookie

    American idiot > Dookie. THAT is idiotic. Anaylsis of Beastie Boys album is pretty solid. I think altough Paul's Boutique is considered their best by most

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    Eggy

  • I still struggle to comprehend why people place Paul's Boutique on a pedestal. It's not a great album

    Du Guesclin1494

  • ComeDependState said...

    The Beastie Boys don't belong in a conversation about good albums.

    We heard you the first time, Big Ten Referee.

    F Michigan

    AASpartan ●

  • Du Guesclin said...

    I still struggle to comprehend why people place Paul's Boutique on a pedestal. It's not a great album

    I don't put it on a pedestal as much as I put it in a pair of nice khaki slacks.

    F Michigan

    AASpartan ●

  • Du Guesclin said...

    I still struggle to comprehend why people place Paul's Boutique on a pedestal. It's not a great album

    Well, I think it is a great album, but I do think it's a bit overrated. I think it's mostly because of how big of a departure it was from their previous work and image. People didn't really take them seriously and thought they were pure commercial. Paul's Boutique shocked a lot of people because of the direction in went in.

    Dr Klopek19856

  • Is that supposed to "out" me? You should ban me for disagreeing with your opinion. Snake would.

    ComeDependState

  • Eggy said...

    American idiot > Dookie. THAT is idiotic. Anaylsis of Beastie Boys album is pretty solid. I think altough Paul's Boutique is considered their best by most

    American Idiot was a well written album. I never really liked Dookie, it's always seemed like a money grab to me. Just a bunch of simple pop songs wrapped in a fake "punk" wrapper. They're catchy, but that's about it.

    I go back and forth between Paul's Boutique and Check your Head. The sampling on Paul's Boutique is something that can never be recreated, but I like the mood and mix of songs on Check your Head better.

    I didn't like Paul's Boutique when it first came out, but I was also like 13 years old and preferred the immature/hyperactive stuff on License to Ill. It wasn't until a few years later that I began to appreciate that album.

    Phil McCrackin

  • ComeDependState said...

    Is that supposed to "out" me? You should ban me for disagreeing with your opinion. Snake would.

    Why people have more than one account always baffles me anyway.

    F Michigan

    AASpartan ●

  • ComeDependState said...

    Is that supposed to "out" me? You should ban me for disagreeing with your opinion. Snake would.

    shut up, attention whore.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • I'm sure BB fans have heard this before, but it's basically impossible to make an album like Paul's Boutique now.
    Securing the rights to all the sampled tracks would cost tens of millions of dollars alone. In 1989, they either paid very little, or didn't bother to even ask for permission.

    Phil McCrackin

  • Phil McCrackin said...

    License to Ill was not a spoof. The Beastie Boys had been incorporating rap lyrics and DJ's into their music for a few years leading up to that record. The album is more a reflection of who they were at the time, which was a trio of immature 20 year old punk rockers looking to give a figurative middle finger to pop music.

    They didn't (and still don't) take themselves too seriously on that album, and that is part of what makes it so great. There are lines that still crack me up...

    This girl walked by - she gave me the eye I reached in the locker - grabbed the Spanish Fly I put it with the Monkey - mixed it in the cup Went over to the girl, "Yo baby, what's up?" I offered her a sip - the girl she gave me lip It did begin the stuff wore in and now she's on my tip

    Yeah songs about rape are awesome.

    Spartytruth

  • Baffles you? You've actually put enough thought into it that it "baffles" you?

    ComeDependState

  • Phil McCrackin said...

    I'm sure BB fans have heard this before, but it's basically impossible to make an album like Paul's Boutique now. Securing the rights to all the sampled tracks would cost tens of millions of dollars alone. In 1989, they either paid very little, or didn't bother to even ask for permission.

    Donuts is probably the closest thing, but that had no lyrics and barely anybody knows it.

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    Eggy

  • ComeDependState said...

    Baffles you? You've actually put enough thought into it that it "baffles" you?

    Yes. I sit at home every night and ponder this seemingly pointless task. Endlessly.

    Stop being a chode.

    F Michigan

    AASpartan ●

  • The needle's in the groove,
    And the vinyl's on the platter.
    You know that I'm fly, man,
    There's no need to flatter!

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    When He speaks I listen.

    msugeers

  • Spartytruth said...

    Yeah songs about rape are awesome.

    Interesting response. I think "the girl she gave me lip" might have a different meaning than how you read it.

    Phil McCrackin

  • Not even close. Licensed To Ill is classic. Dookie is, well, a bunch of dookie. Most aptly named CD ever.

    LoneWolfSparty

  • AASpartan said...

    I don't put it on a pedestal as much as I put it in a pair of nice khaki slacks.

    Pleated or flat? Cuffs or no? C'mon man, say what you mean!

    "Leave the gun.....take the cannoli" "It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel."

    Son of Sparta

  • AASpartan said...

    Yes. I sit at home every night and ponder this seemingly pointless task. Endlessly.

    If you weren't a veteran moderator, I'd take this as sarcasm.

    ComeDependState

  • Green Day? Seriously? pukeface Good god that band sucks. The 'Boys were and will always be better than that poser band.

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    High Speed

  • goodbar said...

    looking back though I've almost come to the belief that License to Ill was more of a spoof on rap, or at least a straight up capitalization on it. Paul's Boutique on the other hand seemed to prove itself more in line with what the "real" Beastie Boys musical interests were/are. For example, before LtI, the Beasties were more into punk. Just as rap was starting to hit or about to hit the "white airwaves" they climbed on board and rode a huge wave - as well as contributing massively to that very same wave. I love both albums and all the Beasties later stuff, but there's still a sneaky suspicion that they were playing a role for that album more than anything.

    Thank you captain obvious.....

    Maybe not a spoof per say. Basically the BB's wanted to show that the rap industry, the way it was at the time was a joke. That basically a couple of jewish white boys could do the same thing with little effort. Little did they know at the time, that their album would turn out to be so epic. It was not, and still is not their style of music. That is why none of their albums are even remotely the same style as LTI. That is also why I have never bought any other BB cds. Hipster's love Paul Boutique, but it's not my style, and was no where close to being the game changer that LTI is. I use to keep hoping that they would do it again, but I have accepted the fact that style is not them, and they did it to prove a point.

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    ICEatALAMO

  • High Speed said...

    Green Day? Seriously? pukeface Good god that band sucks. The 'Boys were and will always be better than that poser band.

    I believe it's "poseur"

    Du Guesclin1494

  • ICEatALAMO said...
    Hipster's love Paul Boutique

    Paul's Boutique was awesome before anyone ever used the term "hipster" so please don't equate that poseur bullshit with one of the finest albums ever recorded.

    Phil McCrackin

  • reg_hartner said...

    Paul's Boutique

    Paul's Boutique is one of the greatest albums, regardless of musical genre, ever.

    Always Smooth.

    Jim Shorts

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