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NigelUno said...
Are you comparing apples to apples?
My guess is the open intox ordinance (applying to private lots) was designed to (try to) prevent people from getting hammered post-game, and then driving drunk around EL. Is that the scenario you are comparing it to in Europe? Or just open alcohol in general?
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NigelUno said...
Maybe the church is actually in favor of the ordinance. That's a possibility.
I don't know. The attendant that warned us before the cops showed up was almost apologetic. It's never been rowdy there, and pretty much all the regulars get along. They'll probably lose most of the people that set up tailgates, but they can fill those lost spaces in easily. The lot is always full a good hour before kickoff.
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spartytom said...
Yup - we are in the church lot. We are on the grassy area in the reserved spots - can really spread out and set up a camp. Its a great spot to tailgate with a crowd. The people around us have been tailgating there for years as well, so its become a nice large tailgating community. Would we give this up because we can no longer drink? I doubt it. But again the question - why now? It has always been illegal. I have no problem with them writing tickets to people walking the streets carrying open booze. But why bother gatherings where these is absolutely no history of troubled behavior? This isn't Cedar Street littered with drunk students. This is mostly families, alums, etc.
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NigelUno said...
Are you comparing apples to apples?
My guess is the open intox ordinance (applying to private lots) was designed to (try to) prevent people from getting hammered post-game, and then driving drunk around EL. Is that the scenario you are comparing it to in Europe? Or just open alcohol in general?
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vator88 said...
We aren't talking about being on campus, but a private lot, off campus, in the city of East Lansing. From EL's website:
"Sec. 26-54. - Possession of open container of alcoholic liquor in public place.
No person shall possess alcoholic liquor in any container other than the original container or in any container which is open or uncapped or which has a broken seal within the passenger compartment of a stationary motor vehicle or otherwise while on any public street, alley, sidewalk, parkway, park, boulevard, or other public or private areas open to the general public for either vehicular travel or the parking of more than ten motor vehicles at the time of the infraction, unless such area is an area under the control of a liquor establishment properly licensed under the provisions of the state liquor code, or a permitted area under the provisions of section 28-37 of this Code. "
Thus, the question seems to turn on whether or not the subject lot is "open to the general public", if it is a small lot that he turns over to a single group for tailgating, or certain repeat tailgaters whom he knows in advance, he would have an argument it is not "open to the general public". More needed.
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Yo Teach said...
I think there's always a delayed effect because people tend to not think about policies until they're affected by them. So I don't think new policies necessarily affect ticket sales in the same season.
But I can tell you with certainty that people who are issued a $600 ticket for drinking in a private lot will absolutely reconsider whether going to games is worth the time and hassle in the future.
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Watch Out Pylon said...
I don't know. The attendant that warned us before the cops showed up was almost apologetic. It's never been rowdy there, and pretty much all the regulars get along. They'll probably lose most of the people that set up tailgates, but they can fill those lost spaces in easily. The lot is always full a good hour before kickoff.
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Watch Out Pylon said...
There aren't any residents around us. We're directly behind Goodrich's. There's the Red Cedar Elementary school to one side, the church to the other, and a sizeable hedgerow to the north. Maybe the houses past te hedgerow are bitching? But again, I've never witnessed anyone getting overly loud. I think it might be as simple as the ELPD trying to bring in more fine $$$.
Instead of posting on the internet why don't you make a phone call to the EL chief of police and ask him?
PS Methinks you have your streets confused, there is a large chunk of houses just to the south of "your" tailgate spot on Sever Rd, to the west along Narcissus Dr, and directly behind the parking lot for the Islamic Center on Daisy Lane. The only way you are right next to Goodrich's is if you are actually at the University United Methodist Church and not the University Lutheran Church as you claimed earlier. Even if you are at the Metodist Church those houses on Sever Rd are still right there....
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Bob Sakimano said...
- the EL Police Chief is a her..
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pulling69 said...
Instead of posting on the internet why don't you make a phone call to the EL chief of police and ask him?
PS Methinks you have your streets confused, there is a large chunk of houses just to the south of "your" tailgate spot on Sever Rd, to the west along Narcissus Dr, and directly behind the parking lot for the Islamic Center on Daisy Lane. The only way you are right next to Goodrich's is if you are actually at the University United Methodist Church and not the University Lutheran Church as you claimed earlier. Even if you are at the Metodist Church those houses on Sever Rd are still right there....
This post was edited by Watch Out Pylon on 9/13/2011 at 2:48 PM
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EL police patrolling off-campus tailgate areas