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ESPN, FOX advising Big 12 on expansion, adding Notre Dame

  • popcorn

    This post was edited by Trevor Barnes on 6/29/2012 at 7:02 AM

    ESPN, FOX Advising Big 12 on Expansion, Adding Notre Dame : Outkick The Coverage

    http://outkickthecoverage.com/espn-fox-advising-big-12-on-expansion-adding-notre-dame.php

    outkickthecoverage.com

    Trevor Barnes

  • Not a surprise. Ever since Delany showed-up ESPN by starting BTN when ESPN wouldn't dole out the cash, Bristol has been extra involved in all of this.

    As for Notre Dame, I don't really understand why they would do that. They wouldn't join the Big Ten, a conference with superb academics and athletics right in their backyard. Will the Irish support being in a conference with schools that are far below them academically like Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas Tech? Texas slums with a bunch of ugly schools because they can control them for now and were enticed by ESPN giving them the Longhorn Network. I just don't see Notre Dame giving up its independence to do the same.

    After the LHN runs its course due to lack of success, I feel like the Big Ten could actually have a decent shot to add Texas and Notre Dame.

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  • This is groundbreaking stuff. College football has gotten to the point for me where it is so corrupt that I just want to stop paying attention. Unfortunately (or fortunately), MSU is now relevant, and I can't stop paying attention.

    MSUBeefman

  • B10 has no reason to add ND.

    let them flounder as an independent

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  • Giant Moose said...

    Not a surprise. Ever since Delany showed-up ESPN by starting BTN when ESPN wouldn't dole out the cash, Bristol has been extra involved in all of this.

    As for Notre Dame, I don't really understand why they would do that. They wouldn't join the Big Ten, a conference with superb academics and athletics right in their backyard. Will the Irish support being in a conference with schools that are far below them academically like Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas Tech? Texas slums with a bunch of ugly schools because they can control them for now and were enticed by ESPN giving them the Longhorn Network. I just don't see Notre Dame giving up its independence to do the same.

    After the LHN runs its course due to lack of success, I feel like the Big Ten could actually have a decent shot to add Texas and Notre Dame.

    Notre Dame probably feels that the B1G/CIC is intolerant of their beliefs and, if so, they may find the Big 12 to be more supportive of their freedoms.

    tVargMan Prime

  • Giant Moose said...

    They wouldn't join the Big Ten, a conference with superb academics and athletics right in their backyard. Will the Irish support being in a conference with schools that are far below them academically like Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas Tech?

    They are already in the Big East for most of their other sports. That should answer your question.

    sleepy01

  • I'm sure NBC will also get involed.

    Considering Fox owns 49% of The B1G Network, what are they telling ND?

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  • Trevor Barnes said...

    popcorn

    T. BARNES IS JYD!

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  • Anybody else think this was yet another stupid thread started by jyd? I wasn't going to open it until I saw Trevor's name.

    Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.

    Tanfan

  • It's amazing how ND is not in the B1G yet considering they're a perfect fit academically and athletically especially now with the start of the B1G Hockey Conference, strong basketball conference, and their football rivalries.

    Izzo Court

  • Problem is that none of the 9 other members want Notre Dame as a partial member. This is Texas and Texas only who wants this agreement.

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  • Izzo Court said...

    It's amazing how ND is not in the B1G yet considering they're a perfect fit academically and athletically especially now with the start of the B1G Hockey Conference, strong basketball conference, and their football rivalries.

    I don't know if I'd use the word "amazing". I'd say its more "stupid". With SOS coming into play more with the football playoff, ND will be irrelevant because they play Army and south central Texas state tech every other week.

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  • Is there a benefit to the B1G to stop scheduling ND if this occurs? Why should MSU, UM, Purdue offer to continue these "rivalry games" with them? They are getting the best of both worlds IMHO.

    Their own TV network and the ability to participate in the four team championship is more of the same BS that we've come to expect from ND. It's the attitude that "we want everything our way".

    Kind of a shame, cause the MSU - ND rivalry is a classic.

    Cleavage2

  • TheFury said...

    I don't know if I'd use the word "amazing". I'd say its more "stupid". With SOS coming into play more with the football playoff, ND will be irrelevant because they play Army and south central Texas state tech every other week.

    USC, Oklahoma, scUM, MSU, Stanford, MiamiFL, and BYU are all on ND's upcoming schedule...shrug
    Do us all a favor and 1) Know what you're talking about, and 2) Don't bash a schedule that has MSU on it, as it makes State look weaker.

    As for why ND probably won't join the B1G, I can think of a couple reasons. The first obviously being financial incentive, is the BIG12 offering ND a better deal than the B1G? Also, I doubt ND wants to join a mid-west conference as it might label them as a mid-west school. Joining the BIG12 would give them more of a "National vibe" despite being in a conference.

    Personally, I don't see ND joining a conference any time soon seeing as they're able to qualify for this new playoff as an independent(Albeit, only if they start winning)

    DilMeister269

  • VargMan said...

    Notre Dame probably feels that the B1G/CIC is intolerant of their beliefs and, if so, they may find the Big 12 to be more supportive of their freedoms.

    I agree with the first half of your statement but not the second. The Big 12 already has the premier Baptist Institution of Higher Learning in the conference already. Ken Star is the President of that school. Conservative evangelical Christians are well known for their tolerance of others views and not in a good way. If ND ever goes to the 12 it will be over Baylors reps in the Texas House and Senate dead bodies. Given UT outnumbers them in Austin (naturally) that may be the case.

    Billy Dee

  • Tanfan said...

    Anybody else think this was yet another stupid thread started by jyd? I wasn't going to open it until I saw Trevor's name.

    Me too. Shocked to see Barnes' starting dumb crap like this. Next he'll forget how to spell and we'll see him on a gameshow. no

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  • That would be shocking. I guess Notre Dame has always been know for scheduling teams across the country, but to have the majority of your regular season games against teams that aren't going to draw much interest? They also have a terrible basketball draw currently for BE teams. This would only make it worse.

    It makes no sense. This seems like an anything but the B1G move (because they won't let ND run things).

    Joining the B1G would bring in tons of fan support for Hockey and Basketball and be a great fit for football. I think at this point Delany should cut ND off if they join any conference other than the B1G, ie not schedule them in anything.

    ND has a real leadership void.

    spartanNTX

  • VargMan said...

    Notre Dame probably feels that the B1G/CIC is intolerant of their beliefs and, if so, they may find the Big 12 to be more supportive of their freedoms.

    As Catholics?

    You're crazy, aren't you.

    Beardy

  • spartanNTX said...

    That would be shocking. I guess Notre Dame has always been know for scheduling teams across the country, but to have the majority of your regular season games against teams that aren't going to draw much interest? They also have a terrible basketball draw currently for BE teams. This would only make it worse.

    It makes no sense. This seems like an anything but the B1G move (because they won't let ND run things).

    Joining the B1G would bring in tons of fan support for Hockey and Basketball and be a great fit for football. I think at this point Delany should cut ND off if they join any conference other than the B1G, ie not schedule them in anything.

    ND has a real leadership void.

    1) The BIG12 has Texas and Oklahoma(Extra emphasis on Texas), you think either of those schools are going to "let ND run things"?

    2) If they joined the BIG12, everything I've read indicates ND would only have to play 3, maybe 4, BIG12 games a year without having to have their football team actually join the conference(Although the rest of ND's sports would join)

    3) "I think at this point Delany should cut ND off if they join any conference other than the B1G, ie not schedule them in anything".... Now you're talking collusion, which is illegal and could really put the B1G in hot water.

    4) I don't understand the "leadership void" comment when you consider the fact that their AD was put on the same level as the B1G/BIG12/ACC/SEC/PAC12 commissioners. And again, the biggest goal for ND in all of this was to find a way to be eligible for a playoff without having to join a conference. Mission accomplished.

    DilMeister269

  • DilMeister269 said...

    1) The BIG12 has Texas and Oklahoma(Extra emphasis on Texas), you think either of those schools are going to "let ND run things"?

    2) If they joined the BIG12, everything I've read indicates ND would only have to play 3, maybe 4, BIG12 games a year without having to have their football team actually join the conference(Although the rest of ND's sports would join)

    3) "I think at this point Delany should cut ND off if they join any conference other than the B1G, ie not schedule them in anything".... Now you're talking collusion, which is illegal and could really put the B1G in hot water.

    4) I don't understand the "leadership void" comment when you consider the fact that their AD was put on the same level as the B1G/BIG12/ACC/SEC/PAC12 commissioners. And again, the biggest goal for ND in all of this was to find a way to be eligible for a playoff without having to join a conference. Mission accomplished.

    The B1G took Hawaii off their schedule after several B1G teams (including MSU) got jobbed by the WAC officials and nobody screamed about collusion on the part of the B1G.

    Izzo Court

  • Izzo Court said...

    The B1G took Hawaii off their schedule after several B1G teams (including MSU) got jobbed by the WAC officials and nobody screamed about collusion on the part of the B1G.

    Hawaii doesn't have the legal power/influence Notre Dame has...

    DilMeister269

  • DilMeister269 said...

    1) The BIG12 has Texas and Oklahoma(Extra emphasis on Texas), you think either of those schools are going to "let ND run things"?

    2) If they joined the BIG12, everything I've read indicates ND would only have to play 3, maybe 4, BIG12 games a year without having to have their football team actually join the conference(Although the rest of ND's sports would join)

    3) "I think at this point Delany should cut ND off if they join any conference other than the B1G, ie not schedule them in anything".... Now you're talking collusion, which is illegal and could really put the B1G in hot water.

    4) I don't understand the "leadership void" comment when you consider the fact that their AD was put on the same level as the B1G/BIG12/ACC/SEC/PAC12 commissioners. And again, the biggest goal for ND in all of this was to find a way to be eligible for a playoff without having to join a conference. Mission accomplished.

    1) Texas has shown they would happily let ND be the 1.5 in the conference. ie, this is the Texas and ND conference.

    2). Sounds like a mess. How would conference championships work?

    3). lol I am sure Delany could make it work. "It is our policy not to schedule independants" or something

    4). ND bungled the last few coaching hires and they handled Sullivan's death poorly IMO

    spartanNTX

  • I said this weeks ago in the Norte Dame preview. Norte Dame doesn't want to share that NBC money. The Big 12 won't take that huge cut like the B10 will.

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  • Norte Dame can load up with cupcake Big 12 teams. A dream come true for them.

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