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Because when taking one pitcher, I'm looking at a career. And I never said Weaver is the best pitcher in baseball. I said Weaver is having the best year so far.

I would even say Chris Sale is having a better year than Verlander, but if I had one game to win tomorrow and I could take anybody, I'm putting JV on the bump.

I don't know if that was true four years ago and I can tell you it is most certainly not the case now. They are fucking savages. Cannibals.

If you only could have heard the Boston fans after the Pats playoff loss to the Jets. You would have thought Tom Brady was Hugh Millen.

AJax: 61 Games .332 BA, .412 OBP, 9 HR, 51 R. 37 RBI 31 XBH

Trout: 62, .348, .408, 10 HR, 54 R, 39 RBI 28 XBH

I think you guys are comparing the wrong players to Trout.

Dude thats not a pitchers fault if he gets injured. And weaver is not injury prone, that was his first DL stint in 5 years. It was just a freak injury and he has allowed just one run in 3 games pitched since coming back. How is this weaver's fault that he got injured? It isnt like he's mark prior or kerry wood

And yet the Angels have won the same amount of games (11) when Weaver pitches than the Tigers have when Verlander pitches. Weaver has only 3 games where he has given up more than 2 earned runs. Verlander has 6. The Tigers are 11-7 in games started by Verlander, while the Angels are 11-3 in games started by Weaver. And if you don't like using records at all, then look at the ERA. 9-1 with a 2.13 ERA is better than 9-5 with a 2.58 ERA. To me, Weaver is having the better year so far.

Never ceases to amaze me how so many Tiger fans devalue Cabrera.

You can make the argument for either for MVP this year. I'd take Trout long term though, imagine what kind of numbers he will be putting up when he's Jackson's age (5 years younger than him)

According to homer tigers fans lol

How many games did the Angels lose because Weaver was on the DL? Verlander is giving up more than two runs because his defense absolutely blows and he goes deeper into games more often than Weaver. JV averages 7.3 IP/start compared to Weaver's 6.2. I'm done with this thread. I've been called a Tigers homer and hater at the same time. Oh well.

Here is my argument on JV vs Weaver. Verlander's ERA is 0.45 higher than Weavers, but Verlander averages 7.34 IP/Start while, Weaver averages 6.3 IP/Start. So JV averages over an extra IP per start, which to me is big.

JV's durability is definitely an asset to the Tigers, I think it really hurts Verlander's overall ERA. JV has a 9th inning ERA of 10.38 in 4.1 innings while Weaver has a 0.00 ERA in only 2 IP. It is just my opinion that Verlander has hurt his ERA a little by trying to finish games and not putting the final innings into the hands of the bullpen.

Also, JVs K/9 is much better (8.7 vs. 6.3) and with Weaver over 4 starts behind Verlander there will be a huge disparity in Ks by the end of the year.

What went unsaid in your excellent analysis is the Tigers suck defensively behind Verlander, and in fact are currently a team under .500, while the Angels are a winning team that has a way better defense.,
When splitting hairs, the above facts are worth noting, and the extra innings Justin has logged as you pointed out.

another bomb by trout...haters keep hatin

hahahahha nah man im a cubs fan.

Que the billy goat curse jokes