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A couple of them caught my eye. I like the Trammell and Gison in grey. I also like the Lou Brock in the blue cardinal uniform. That one is badass. I'm going to buy a few and see what happens. Thatnks for the info guys.

I picked up a Datsyuk winter classic jersey a while back, and its perfect. Fighting strap, even has the Wrigley Field patch

Yeah, I'm not too concerned about that.

I'm going to use paypal and take a chance on a Fielder, maybe a Gibson.

Just a heads up for you. Football Fanatics doesn't sell the Griswold jersery. We all get what you're 'trying' to say but no one seems to care.

I think I'm going to take a chance on the Road Pistons Rodman jersey and Gordie Howe jersey.

While I certainly see your point, I'm confident that a company like Nike or Adidas will be able to survive without $60 more dollars from me.

And yeah I know..."Well if everyone thinks like that then it adds up"

You know it starts out small and then you start buying stolen cars and then move into other dangerous schemes. Don't do it guys.

If the jerseys are counterfeit, and some most likely are, the market will shut down those suppliers quickly. No one wants a jersey with the wrong lettering and crooked names. But, the jerseys that are near perfect, and there are many, one must wonder how these are being made. Are they simply stolen? If so, how do these companies have such a inventory over so many different products?

It would be very hard to steal these jerseys in different sizes and colors out of a warehouse and sell online. If the jerseys that are seen as near perfection, like my throwback Mitchell and Ness are counterfeit and someone's said Winter Classic jersey, it is entirely possible by hard to believe that a random Chinese company is aware of this once used jersey and all the patches and are manufacturing the jersey and all the patches themselves. The cost of the patches would be more than a single online retailer, that sells jerseys for 25-50 dollars, would be able to afford. It just doesn't add up that there is a warehouse making counterfeit, near perfect, jerseys and selling them online.

I believe that there are two seperate jerseys in this market, one that is counterfeit, like the Cousins jersey, and one that is either stolen (which I believe the major corporation or warehouse would catch on and shut down over time and spend money to do so in order to not lose revenue in the chinese jersey online market) or there is something going on where these online retailers are purchasing overstock/blemished jerseys and selling them online.

Thanks for chiming in MLeague, I was hoping to get some informed input on this.

I can't help but feeling though on the other end of the market that companies like Mitchell & Ness are producing these $300 Kobe Bryant All-Star jerseys for something like $30 including licensing. (Yes, I realize the comparisons here to )

Alright, now if someone could please point me in the direction of sites to buy shoes and hats from China I will be set.

No you mis-understood what I was saying. I'm not condoning the actions either way. I'm just laying out some facts based on my experiences in that industry, that is all. I never said I agree or disagree with it. I will gladly tell you my opinion of what you have said and I believe it to be 99% factual. I have no interest in getting into a capitalism discussion today. Buying and selling them is illegal and they are trying to stop it. The question is it driving 56 in a 55 or is it 100/55 and drinking and killing someone.... Age old question.

These are not seconds or stolen (yes there are some of those but that is a very very small percentage) these are counterfeit jerseys and usually made in different factories. You can get the same things made locally in Lansing as well -just not as cheap as from china.

I bought six jerseys from China awhile ago to check them out and see what the fuss was, I won't do it again for various reasons. Some include the quality is just not there to wear them, it didn't feel right to me when I got them, like I was doing something shady....

One thing to look at is the Ford F-150 that China is copying and producing by a Chinese company. They stole the entire design for the car. Is that right to do? Again, I don't know I'm not an attorney in intl trade law but on the surface it seems deceptive.

Also to clear things up, what I think is a huge problem is people buying them and saying they are authentic with original Mitchell/Ness or Nike etc. tags on them.... that is ilegal, deceptive and wrong and something I would never do. I do have a problem with people doing that.

Actually Trever I think you areoff a bit here. I honestly believe they are into them at half that price. Maybe 15.00 -20.00 maximum. the jersey, manufacturing, freight can't be more than 10-12.00 each landed back to the USA. What they may MLB and the player, team, etc... that is a different story and probably costs more than the jersey itself.

I looked into having an MSU item licensed recently dealing with one of the coaches. A very similar (the same but different pose) retailed for 299.99 4-5 years ago and my cost then as a distributor was 150.00.
I was quoted for the exact same thing 37.00 each from China. And that was landed to my house from China. the exact same quality, material, packaging, etc..... My wholesale cost was 150.00 and I can get them in bulk at 37.00 each. That was without price shopping in China.

Licensing and trademarks are a huge issue. I ended up not doign it as I couldn't get an agreement to have it licensed properly but that gives you a rough idea how cheap stuff from there can be and how easy it is for their factories to make whatever we want.

and no jabs on the typos... too busy and sick today to deal with them!