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GRR Spartan said...
He's no fan of Amway if he's a Orrin Woodward fan. Amway and Woodard's TEAM parted ways when Woodward wanted to dictate new margins to Amway after his TEAM started accounting for more than 50% of Amway US sales and he wanted to make deals on behalf of The TEAM that didn't get a cut for Amway. Amway and Woodward sued each other.
Then I was told The TEAM started promoting Mona Vie health juice plus their regular batch of books/tapes/meeting admissions after their falling out with Amway. A business acquaintance recruited me when they were with Amway and like most folks from GR we are very familiar with their methods. He tried to recruit me again when they flipped to the new product. Anyone involved can explain away MLM's.
The TEAM is much more of a cult than Amway. Weekly Wednesday meetings, at least one big weekend meeting and they want members to attend 2 per month if possible. Then there are they major national meetings.
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Rodeo Burger said...
I think I may have survived an invasion of these guys before. 6 or 7 years ago, I was working in downtown GR. One day, there was absolutely no parking anywhere, and a huge traffic jam during the day, in the middle of the week. There were hundreds of people wearing suits and carrying briefcases, all heading to Van Andel Arena. It turns out, a major Amway distributor had rented the arena for a mandatory meeting of his team.
I've never seen group think to such an extent, especially considering that I didn't speak with any of them...they all just seemed to be clones. It reminds me of the Mr. Smith character from The Matrix.
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SeeGreen said...
This also started in Grand Rapids. You learn about it at a meeting typically held in a hotel meeting room. I attended an overview of the program, but honestly had no clue that it was at a hotel until my wife said "turn here".
By the end of the presentation, you get a special offer of $60 for a visit. They have a wall of appointment cards. If you pick one up, you have your appointment for a brain imaging. The end game is to invest ( $3-8k?) in a computer and 'system' to train your brain through breathing exercises and a reward system to operate at a more "normal" level. None of the information that I just provided came through clearly in the presentation.
It is targeted to pretty much everybody (golfers, athletes, etc), but the real sell is on kids on Ritalin and behavioral issues. For what it is worth, I would not bash the method or what it might provide to someone. But, I was completely disgusted with the marketing method (Amway-ish). I listened to the lecturer tell a young volunteer (who was getting a brain image scan), "I see someone who was put on too many drugs when they were younger".
I tried to find more info on the web, and it is very hard to find.
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MSU Mathguy said...
I used to live in Ada, home of Amway. If not for their downtown development, no one would give a rats ass about them. My son worked third shift as a chemist before starting grad school. He tried to improve their quality contro system and eventually lost his job because management would not even listen to his suggestion and got pissed because he worked too hard at making improvements. F the Amwipes.
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I am live in GR and am born and raised here. I'm an engineer and have toured Amway's production facilities several times and was shocked at how poorly they were run. There were safety issues everywhere and glaring inefficiencies in every process. The only way they can compete with processes and controls so poor is their marketing scheme. (It's a triangle, not a pyramid...) Your sons experience does not surprise me in the least. Amway makes money by running a pyramid scheme, not by having a competitive manufacturing environment. There is also a lot of pressure to be as religious as possible to work for Amway.
The founders of Amway have done some great things for GR though and downtown has been reinvigorated due in large part to their philanthropy. They're big time Republicans and use their money in massive amounts to effect law in a favorable way for their businesses.
True Story:
My friend Rob used to delivery pizza in Ada, he once had a delivery to the Devos compound where none other than the patriarch, Dick Devos, answered the door to pay for the pizza. This was the early 90s and the total was $19.48, Devos handed Rob a 20 dollar bill and the made him go get the $0.52 in change from his car. The guy was just on Forbes list as being worth $9 Billion and he wants change back on a $20.
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Johnny2x2x said...
I am live in GR and am born and raised here. I'm an engineer and have toured Amway's production facilities several times and was shocked at how poorly they were run. There were safety issues everywhere and glaring inefficiencies in every process. The only way they can compete with processes and controls so poor is their marketing scheme. (It's a triangle, not a pyramid...) Your sons experience does not surprise me in the least. Amway makes money by running a pyramid scheme, not by having a competitive manufacturing environment. There is also a lot of pressure to be as religious as possible to work for Amway.
The founders of Amway have done some great things for GR though and downtown has been reinvigorated due in large part to their philanthropy. They're big time Republicans and use their money in massive amounts to effect law in a favorable way for their businesses.
True Story:
My friend Rob used to delivery pizza in Ada, he once had a delivery to the Devos compound where none other than the patriarch, Dick Devos, answered the door to pay for the pizza. This was the early 90s and the total was $19.48, Devos handed Rob a 20 dollar bill and the made him go get the $0.52 in change from his car. The guy was just on Forbes list as being worth $9 Billion and he wants change back on a $20.
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An old friend, who I have not seen in 8 years, recently moved to Grand Rapids to sell Amway/Quixtar/Team of Destiny, or something of that ilk. He gave up a comfy $80K/year as an accountant in Lansing. Apparently he's been re-born and has given himself to Jesus and home business. His idol is Orrin Woodward, and he's telling all of his friends to "get on system." All our old mutual friends says he's become intolerable and even creepy. Most bizarre is that he's now a fire-breathing Republican, too.
Interesting the radical choices we sometimes make in our lives.
Anyone know someone like this? Did they ever recover?
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AvgMSUJoe said...
Then you haven't met an "amway" salesman. They tied all that shit up into a little box (like the "christians" try to do with conservative politics)... You can't be one without being involved in the other according to them.
Like saying someone is an anti-gun, pro-labor Christian to you... probably inconceivable.
Their "christianess" is tied up with their home business... that way when they get a christian customer they can use "god" as an excuse for them to pay more for shitty products.
The wife is a nurse... one day some doctor from her hospital started calling and wanting to take us out for diner... Was like WTF. To make the story short, He was all involved in a pyramid/christian scheme that ultimately cost him his career making $250k/year as a specialist in a good hospital.
But he was going to heaven because he was doing god's work selling god's dishsoap and whatnot...
I know several anti-gun, pro-labor Christians.
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AvgMSUJoe said...
Then you haven't met an "amway" salesman. They tied all that shit up into a little box (like the "christians" try to do with conservative politics)... You can't be one without being involved in the other according to them.
Like saying someone is an anti-gun, pro-labor Christian to you... probably inconceivable.
Their "christianess" is tied up with their home business... that way when they get a christian customer they can use "god" as an excuse for them to pay more for shitty products.
The wife is a nurse... one day some doctor from her hospital started calling and wanting to take us out for diner... Was like WTF. To make the story short, He was all involved in a pyramid/christian scheme that ultimately cost him his career making $250k/year as a specialist in a good hospital.
But he was going to heaven because he was doing god's work selling god's dishsoap and whatnot...
Why can't these assclowns just sell their stuff and leave the bible thumping to themselves? I've always wondered this. Just leave people alone about their religion and politics. I remember last year sitting on the couch and some douchbag starts banging on my door all frantic -like and it looked like an emergency. (you know, like a kid got run over, neighbor stuck his hand in the lawn mower, ect.) "I'd like to tell you about JC and God ect.....
" I tried to tell him I wasn't interested, but he kept trying to talk over me. Enter Seger, our German Shepherd. Who suddenly realized that there was someone threatening to enter our house. I let him do his thing and watched that fat little fuck run away. He got chased to the edge of the driveway and the dog just sat there watching until he left the neighborhood.
Why don't the thumpers get the message?
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An old friend, who I have not seen in 8 years, recently moved to Grand Rapids to sell Amway/Quixtar/Team of Destiny, or something of that ilk. He gave up a comfy $80K/year as an accountant in Lansing. Apparently he's been re-born and has given himself to Jesus and home business. His idol is Orrin Woodward, and he's telling all of his friends to "get on system." All our old mutual friends says he's become intolerable and even creepy. Most bizarre is that he's now a fire-breathing Republican, too.
Interesting the radical choices we sometimes make in our lives.
Anyone know someone like this? Did they ever recover?
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Lone Wolf,
Obviously you can be a Jesus freak and revile Quixtar/Team of Destiny, etc...
But I sincerely think if you're involved passionately wih the latter then you are more than likely the former.
It was meant as no disrespect to Christians, but rather a certain kind of $Christian$.
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Why can't these assclowns just sell their stuff and leave the bible thumping to themselves? I've always wondered this. Just leave people alone about their religion and politics. I remember last year sitting on the couch and some douchbag starts banging on my door all frantic -like and it looked like an emergency. (you know, like a kid got run over, neighbor stuck his hand in the lawn mower, ect.) "I'd like to tell you about JC and God ect.....
" I tried to tell him I wasn't interested, but he kept trying to talk over me. Enter Seger, our German Shepherd. Who suddenly realized that there was someone threatening to enter our house. I let him do his thing and watched that fat little fuck run away. He got chased to the edge of the driveway and the dog just sat there watching until he left the neighborhood.
Why don't the thumpers get the message?
I notice your language is pretty filthy. Would you accept an offer for a home Bible study? I like German Sheperds. Also, we could schedule it right before the Van Halen concert and then instead of taking the wife, you and I could go together to continue to discuss whatever you want to discuss.
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Bender said...
LOL at this thread...
I know someone who's into 'Team' and apparently they are no longer pushing MonaVie or whatever that purple juice was but are now selling
"Leadership". With profits up to 50%.. time to get RICH losers...
(just don't drink the coolaid )
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