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82msuspartan said...
Sorry wont use the term again. I guess that is a tanfan special. lol Boise and Iowa could be an interesting comparison but based on how much each team lost from last years team I see these teams going in opposite directions. I think it helps that we play Boise in the 1st game when all their new starters are getting their feet wet. As far as Iowa goes, I thought Vandenberg did a pretty good job at QB last year but was a little inconsistent. He will be steadier this year and more seasoned but they will need to replace Coker and McNutt. Iowa is the sleeper in the legends IMHO. Ferentz is a great coach that has had some adversity in the last couple of years. But I would never underestimate his teams.
I guess that's the transition in how I view our opponents. To me it's more about Michigan State. From that perspective, Iowa will likely be an easier game since Maxwell + the receivers have more games under their belt. The inexperience card cuts both ways with Boise, since MSU has some issues in that area.
Then again, MSU only has the QB/WR spots to worry about; I'm not overly concerned with DT/S. Boise needs to essentially rebuild their whole team
. Still, there should be first game jitters/mix-ups that won't happen later in the year. Plus, it can be darn muggy in late August. Anyone who was at the YSU game this past year can attest it was like cheering in a swamp. Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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SpartanRocky said...
I guess that's the transition in how I view our opponents. To me it's more about Michigan State. From that perspective, Iowa will likely be an easier game since Maxwell + the receivers have more games under their belt. The inexperience card cuts both ways with Boise, since MSU has some issues in that area.
Then again, MSU only has the QB/WR spots to worry about; I'm not overly concerned with DT/S. Boise needs to essentially rebuild their whole team
. Still, there should be first game jitters/mix-ups that won't happen later in the year. Plus, it can be darn muggy in late August. Anyone who was at the YSU game this past year can attest it was like cheering in a swamp.
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SpartanRocky said...
2012 is UM's best shot till '14. Game's in AA, they've got a 3 year starter at QB and MSU has a question mark. The issue is that UM's DL/OL depth is shaky this season, and that could cost them the game.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CVSpartan on 3/16/2012 at 7:38 AM
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CVSpartan said...
Rocky - UM's "3 year starter at QB" is without question a great athlete but is good for around 3-4 interceptions a game. Obviously should be playing WR not QB. Will never play QB in the NFL.
Why should we fear UM this year? Narduzzi's defense has contained Shoelaces the last 2 years so why can't he do it again?
I think UM's defense will not be as good this year without Martin and VanBergen. They will also miss Hemingway and Molk. Playing at home is always an advantage of course.
I think the game at UW will be much tougher. I can't remember the last time MSU won at Camp Randall.
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AASpartan said...
You really love UofM don't you? You never talk up MSU, but are constantly complimenting UofM. Curious.
We're going into the game with the top defense in the B1G (Top 5 in the country with an experienced O-Line and RBs and IMO the best coach in the B1G. There's nothing about UofM that is scary. At all.
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Tanfan said...
Unproven qb for msu. All new receivers. Vs a seasoned qb. No worthy to wreck haveck in the backfield. A slew of young but mostly 4 star players coming in. Bear defense did a nice job when employed to stop the run. Home game. Spring game should be interesting to watch. Nice to see how maxwell can make decisions to the hot read like cousins could during a blitzing situation.
You sound like a little kid who picked up a few football terms hanging around the older boys and is trying desperately to fit them into a conversation to make it seem like you know what you're talking about
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Rocky - UM's "3 year starter at QB" is without question a great athlete but is good for around 3-4 interceptions a game. Obviously should be playing WR not QB. Will never play QB in the NFL.
Why should we fear UM this year? Narduzzi's defense has contained Shoelaces the last 2 years so why can't he do it again?
I think UM's defense will not be as good this year without Martin and VanBergen. They will also miss Hemingway and Molk. Playing at home is always an advantage of course.
I think the game at UW will be much tougher. I can't remember the last time MSU won at Camp Randall.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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Big M said...
Right. UM was pretty fortunate on the OL last year so lack of depth was not a killer. This year, 2 significant injuries means a true freshman is probably starting. It will be a tightrope act all year. DL will have a lot of bodies, just not a lot of proven talent.
And MSU has a huge question mark at WR. We won't know about Arnett for quite awhile and Burbridge hasn't qualified yet. Both could be on the field against Boise . . . or neither. Toss in Folwer's foot problems and you've got some real questions.
I don't think MSU or UM are going to be making a NC run this year. Spring will be very interesting to watch. I'm not particularly worried about the DL in general, given White's bowl performance (7 tackles, 3 TFL, 1 blocked kick playing NT) and beacuse he's moving to the 3-tech. I'm very curious about pairing the 6' 2 316 pound White with the 6'5 318 pound Reynolds at NT. That'll be something I'll keep an eye during the spring. I think MSU's LBs should be among the top 10 in the country, and the DBs not far behind.
Hard not to be excited about MSU's D. At the same time, I'm definitely not sold on the O, and probably won't be until (unless?) they aquit themselves vs. Boise, ND, tOSU AND UM
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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I think it's too early to make a reasonable prediction about the game. MSU has question marks on offense across the board. As good as Bell was last year, MSU's rushing O was 2nd to last in the conference. That doesn't make it easier on a new QB. You'd anticipate improvement because 4 OL return + 2 guys who were starters (Treadwell and Burkland) and Bell will be the go-to guy from the start. But what if the run-blocking doesn't improve? Will Caper be healthy enough to contribute?
The talk is of Denzel Drone moving to TE. That doesn't exactly give me warm and fuzzy feelings about that position.
On the flip side, UM has very real questions along their defensive line and their passing game. With Stonum gone, they're down to Roundtree and Odoms. More than MSU returns, but Shoelaces has to actually take a step forward.
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SpartanRocky said...
And MSU has a huge question mark at WR. We won't know about Arnett for quite awhile and Burbridge hasn't qualified yet. Both could be on the field against Boise . . . or neither. Toss in Folwer's foot problems and you've got some real questions.
I don't think MSU or UM are going to be making a NC run this year. Spring will be very interesting to watch. I'm not particularly worried about the DL in general, given White's bowl performance (7 tackles, 3 TFL, 1 blocked kick playing NT) and beacuse he's moving to the 3-tech. I'm very curious about pairing the 6' 2 316 pound White with the 6'5 318 pound Reynolds at NT. That'll be something I'll keep an eye during the spring. I think MSU's LBs should be among the top 10 in the country, and the DBs not far behind.
Hard not to be excited about MSU's D. At the same time, I'm definitely not sold on the O, and probably won't be until (unless?) they aquit themselves vs. Boise, ND, tOSU AND UM
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Big M said...
How is that a huge advanatage for MSU?
I don't know
. DL's don't face off against each other, unless there's been some bizarre rule change I don't know about. What matters is the relative strength of the DLs vs. the opposing OLs.
If UM's DL is a "5" on a scale of 1-10, but MSU's OL is a 4.5, UM's DL would have a slight advantage. Likewise, if MSU's DL is a 9 next year, but UM's OL is an 8.5, then MSU's DL has the same advantage that UM's DL has. It's all relative.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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CVSpartan said...
My point is that MSU was much better than UM's D last year and will be again. I believe UM's defense will be worse.
MSU's D had a lot of new starters last year who played very well - Rush, Gholston, Dennard, Bullough, Allen. Don't you think they will be even better (assuming they stay healthy) since they are returning starters?
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Big M said...
You may be very well be correct that MSU's D will be better than UM's. My specific question was why you think UM's will be worse and MSU's the same or better given the losses. Yes, UM loses their best 2 DL, but MSU loses the best player out of either roster as well as a very good safety (plus a part time DL starter). Just not following the logic that UM's losses are far worse than MSU's.
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