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  • A lot of people in this thread must really of hated Stanton. I just don't get it. Good guy.

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  • Bullwrinkle said...

    Don't feel bad, many like you were socially awkward at that age and felt the need to be accepted by a larger group of socially awkward nerds who were also unable to form friendships on their own. I'm sure you've outgrown that phase and definitely I don't see the need for you to pay for the privilege of my company. You can hang with me for free. Be prepared to very bored.

    Being in a fraternity in college did not make me lose any friends I had previously. In fact in some ways our friendships were strengthened as it basically provided a large venue that we now had access to that was safe from underage drinking risks that we had in the dorms and honestly more attractive girls hung out at our fraternity parties than any house party I ever went to (and I still went to those a lot as well). I still maintained those friendships throughout college and whenever friends from other places visited on weekends we always had a good party to head out to after the game, or a great tailgate where we didn't have to worry about police shaking us down for nothing. As Drugs said, there is no better social scene if you are under 21 on campus, and living in was my best year of college for many reasons, mostly not partying related.

    I really don't see any reason a young freshman male would not want to be in a fraternity provided they have the money/time to commit. Even if you were a non drinker there was tons of great activities to be involved in: the fraternity intramural leagues were awesome, there was always weekend day events going on at the house, lots of connections and get together with sororities who were all pretty cool chicks, and it was fun being around a pretty laid back and outgoing group of guys.

    If you're a douche, you'll be one in a fraternity or not. I didn't seem to find any higher ratio of these people in fraternities than in any other group honestly. I ended up making more friends outside of the fraternity and getting invited to their events BECAUSE of the fraternity and social connections I otherwise would never have had, because I never would have met those people.

    The only people who ever use the"paying for friends" line are people who have no idea what the fraternity experience was like. You pay to be in any club or organization.

    This post was edited by RaptorCaptor on 5/7/2012 at 12:18 PM

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    Surprise surprise, a GDI. FWIW, I'm pretty sure Drugs was in the same house as Stanton and the guy who was his center. Why do you hate Drew Stanton? I thought he was a great Spartan.

    Surprise, surprise. Here's Rocket Play within 15 minutes of one of my posts responding to it.

    To answer your question, I've never met Drew Stanton, so I don't have an opinion on him one way or another. He must be an awesome guy if he played football for MSU though, we all know D-1 athletes are usually extremely friendly people.

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  • Punisher99 said...

    Surprise, surprise. Here's Rocket Play within 15 minutes of one of my posts responding to it.

    To answer your question, I've never met Drew Stanton, so I don't have an opinion on him one way or another. He must be an awesome guy if he played football for MSU though, we all know D-1 athletes are usually extremely friendly people.

    Well I did meet him, and I will say out of the 3 MSU QB's I've met, he was easily the nicest. All the terrible things being said about fraternities ITT are directed at him too and I think that sucks. Do any of the SAE guys on this board keep in touch with him? I'm wondering if he's going to keep his MI charity work going even though he doesn't play Herr anymore.

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    Well I did meet him, and I will say out of the 3 MSU QB's I've met, he was easily the nicest. All the terrible things being said about fraternities ITT are directed at him too and I think that sucks. Do any of the SAE guys on this board keep in touch with him? I'm wondering if he's going to keep his MI charity work going even though he doesn't play Herr anymore.

    A couple of the guys on here his year keep in touch with him. I can send them a text if you're really interested.

    Drugs Delaney

  • RaptorCaptor said...

    Being in a fraternity in college did not make me lose any friends I had previously. In fact in some ways our friendships were strengthened as it basically provided a large venue that we now had access to that was safe from underage drinking risks that we had in the dorms and honestly more attractive girls hung out at our fraternity parties than any house party I ever went to (and I still went to those a lot as well). I still maintained those friendships throughout college and whenever friends from other places visited on weekends we always had a good party to head out to after the game, or a great tailgate where we didn't have to worry about police shaking us down for nothing. As Drugs said, there is no better social scene if you are under 21 on campus, and living in was my best year of college for many reasons, mostly not partying related.

    I really don't see any reason a young freshman male would not want to be in a fraternity provided they have the money/time to commit. Even if you were a non drinker there was tons of great activities to be involved in: the fraternity intramural leagues were awesome, there was always weekend day events going on at the house, lots of connections and get together with sororities who were all pretty cool chicks, and it was fun being around a pretty laid back and outgoing group of guys.

    If you're a douche, you'll be one in a fraternity or not. I didn't seem to find any higher ratio of these people in fraternities than in any other group honestly. I ended up making more friends outside of the fraternity and getting invited to their events BECAUSE of the fraternity and social connections I otherwise would never have had, because I never would have met those people.

    The only people who ever use the"paying for friends" line are people who have no idea what the fraternity experience was like. You pay to be in any club or organization.

    Fair enough. Obviously I'm just having fun with the usual stereotypes of frats. I'm sure what you say is mostly true. But for whatever reason, the behavior of certain frats/frat boys sticks all of you with the same negative connotations.

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  • It's not a bad way to make friends, meet girls, and get alcohol. Once you turn 21 and can go to the bars, the benefits greatly diminish. Two of my closest friends who were groomsmen in my wedding were my pledge brothers. At the same time, some of my biggest enemies were also in my house.

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    Well I did meet him, and I will say out of the 3 MSU QB's I've met, he was easily the nicest. All the terrible things being said about fraternities ITT are directed at him too and I think that sucks. Do any of the SAE guys on this board keep in touch with him? I'm wondering if he's going to keep his MI charity work going even though he doesn't play Herr anymore.

    That's awesome. I still think frats are culty and weird. Drew Stanton being nice and playing for MSU doesn't matter to me one way or another.

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  • Bullwrinkle said...

    Fair enough. Obviously I'm just having fun with the usual stereotypes of frats. I'm sure what you say is mostly true. But for whatever reason, the behavior of certain frats/frat boys sticks all of you with the same negative connotations.

    I think that all people do dumb shit, and lots of it. Especially in college. The difference is when the idiot is in a fraternity it is easy to attribute their behavior to the group as opposed to some idiot just being an idiot. The caveat is fraternity members likely on average drink more, and people do more dumb shit when they drink. Thus I can see where more reckless behavior is seen in fraternities. I think that is more a testament to how dumb young people can be when they binge drink than fraternities though.

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  • Punisher99 said...

    That's awesome. I still think frats are culty and weird. Drew Stanton being nice and playing for MSU doesn't matter to me one way or another.

    Culty? Srsly? lol

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  • Punisher99 said...

    That's awesome. I still think frats are culty and weird. Drew Stanton being nice and playing for MSU doesn't matter to me one way or another.

    Because you were excluded from a party one time freshmen year doesn't make them "culty and weird". Have you ever been on a sports team, in a social group, in a country club, part of any exclusive organization, etc?

    RaptorCaptor

  • The Doctor said...

    It's not a bad way to make friends, meet girls, and get alcohol. Once you turn 21 and can go to the bars, the benefits greatly diminish. Two of my closest friends who were groomsmen in my wedding were my pledge brothers. At the same time, some of my biggest enemies were also in my house.

    Been a groomsman in 3 of my brothers weddings, have 3 more likely including a likely best man still to come, and have been to about 6 others as a guest with 2 more coming this summer. I am not bragging. It kind of sucks and can get very expensive as everyone tries to out do the last wedding. Air fare has really gotten out of control, bit they're great friends so how do you not go?

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    Been a groomsman in 3 of my brothers weddings, have 3 more likely including a likely best man still to come, and have been to about 6 others as a guest with 2 more coming this summer. I am not bragging. It kind of sucks and can get very expensive as everyone tries to out do the last wedding. Air fare has really gotten out of control, bit they're great friends so how do you not go?

    If they are such great friends you would want to go.
    If you are having second thoughts, I would say they are not such a great friend and I would just not go.

    erg

  • I was also in a coed fraternity in professional school too, and it was a blast. I lived there 2 years. We had parties about once a month, but people were always over pre-partying. Everybody in the house was over 21 and it was a private school, so the cops never gave us any shit. Rent was $250 month including utilities and endless supply of kegs. We also were right in the middle of campus, so the location could not have been better or more convenient. Case Western is full of nerds, so the undergrads were always trying to sneak into our parties.

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  • RaptorCaptor said...

    Because you were excluded from a party one time freshmen year doesn't make them "culty and weird". Have you ever been on a sports team, in a social group, in a country club, part of any exclusive organization, etc?

    This is the other really fun thing about frats. If you don't like them or think they're a bit strange with all the hazing, fees etc. you're an unpopular dork who couldn't get in and has never been to a party. Or had sex.

    I lived in the dorms and met a ton of lifelong friends there and had a great time all the way through school. For no extra money. I feel like frats are extremely cultish, just like religion. I don't participate in either. I also played both basketball and football in high school. A vastly different thing in my opinion, but to each their own I guess.

    But yeah that party I didn't get invited to six years ago still really busts my chops!

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Punisher99 on 5/7/2012 at 1:12 PM

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  • Senior Lopez said...

    Yeah, some frat guys can be hemos, but in general it can be a very positive experience for people. It's a great lifetime social network.

    I don't see what hemophilia has to do with fraternities.

    Edit: Also, dude, hemos is not the preferred nomenclature. Hemophiliacs, please.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Dirk Hardpeck on 5/7/2012 at 1:33 PM

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  • Punisher99 said...

    This is the other really fun thing about frats. If you don't like them or think they're a bit strange with all the hazing, fees etc. you're an unpopular dork who couldn't get in and has never been to a party. Or had sex.

    I lived in the dorms and met a ton of lifelong friends there and had a great time all the way through school. For no extra money. I feel like frats are extremely cultish, just like religion. I don't participate in either. I also played both basketball and football in high school. A vastly different thing in my opinion, but to each their own I guess.

    But yeah that party I didn't get invited to six years ago still really busts my chops!

    High School Football team culture is EXACTLY the same. Weird rituals, exclusive events, etc.

    RaptorCaptor

  • I hope someone creates this thread once a week for the pure entertainment this subject provides. catfight

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  • If you're an asshole when you're _______________________, then you're probably an asshole when you're________________.

    I was in a frat (I'm out of the whole "not a 'frat'" thing by now), and we had good guys I'm still good friends with, and guys I would have never been friends with in or out of a frat. We had good parties, and plenty of times I skipped out to go to the bar or another party.

    I never thought of it as buying your friends or buying a social life. As far as the money goes, I could care less about the dues that went to Internationals (most of it was insurance to cover my ass for joining to begin with), but anyone who says "I can party just the same without the dues" doesn't think about the fact that when you throw a party, everyone's chipping in for the keg or whatever. Frat dues just pay for higher-end expenses like bus, meal and booze for formal or stuff like that, and I don't know too many rental houses that have nice "affairs" like that (if that's what you're into).

    The one good thing about fraternities, and to a certain extent any organization, is that it gives you the opportunity to start out as a big fish in a small pond. The douchbags that everyone hates in frats--those are the guys that only join to get drunk and screw chicks (NTATWWT). But there is a share of guys (the 20%) that use their time in the frat to develop leadership skills, get more involved around campus and make something of themselves. These aren't the guys most people see because they're cleaning up the messes of the douchebags. If you find a house that seems douchy from top-down, then there probably isn't the 20% and they won't be around too much longer anyhow.

    And FWIW, I still pay today to be a member of "exclusive organizations", except now there's not the social status and partying aspect, it's about community service and business connections. Whether people like it or not, we always give preference to who's "with us" at the extent of "who's not". That's just the way the world works, so why not be "with" some group or other?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by SpartanGreen78 on 5/7/2012 at 1:57 PM

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  • SpartanGreen78 said...

    If you're an asshole when you're _______________________, then you're probably an asshole when you're________________.

    I was in a frat (I'm out of the whole "not a 'frat'" thing by now), and we had good guys I'm still good friends with, and guys I would have never been friends with in or out of a frat. We had good parties, and plenty of times I skipped out to go to the bar or another party.

    I never thought of it as buying your friends or buying a social life. As far as the money goes, I could care less about the dues that went to Internationals (most of it was insurance to cover my ass for joining to begin with), but anyone who says "I can party just the same without the dues" doesn't think about the fact that when you throw a party, everyone's chipping in for the keg or whatever. Frat dues just pay for higher-end expenses like bus, meal and booze for formal or stuff like that, and I don't know too many rental houses that have nice "affairs" like that (if that's what you're into).

    The one good thing about fraternities, and to a certain extent any organization, is that it gives you the opportunity to start out as a big fish in a small pond. The douchbags that everyone hates in frats--those are the guys that only join to get drunk and screw chicks (NTATWWT). But there is a share of guys (the 20%) that use their time in the frat to develop leadership skills, get more involved around campus and make something of themselves. These aren't the guys most people see because they're cleaning up the messes of the douchebags. If you find a house that seems douchy from top-down, then there probably isn't the 20% and they won't be around too much longer anyhow.

    Yes, people never consider the buying power when you're buying for 200 vs 2. You get great deals on cool stuff.

    People also for the most part don't know about the unintentional comedy of internal politics. And there is really no way to describe it.

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  • 80% of frats = the cast from the Jersey Shore.
    10% of frats = the cast from the Real World
    10% of frats = pretty cool dudes

    This post was edited by Johnny2x2x on 5/7/2012 at 2:47 PM

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  • I think I'll wait until the Fraternity thread next month to voice my opinion.

    Stils

  • I'm gonna sum up this entire thread in a post. There are plenty of good people who are frat bros, there are just as many and if not more d-bags who are in frats. But most of the Dbags enjoy being dbags and those who are not in frats enjoy not being in frats, works out for everyone.

    Did I get it right?

    Duke Silver

  • torq214 said...

    Is it just me or are guys who are in frats some of the biggest tool bags around? Seems like they are always the ones with the double popped collar shirt, bragging about how much they can drink, how many girls they sleep with, and how they would kick your ass if you fought. Anyone else feel this way?

    Didn't get a bid huh?

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  • ~Stils~ said...

    I think I'll wait until the Fraternity thread next month to voice my opinion.

    For the life of me, I'll never understand why some people care so much about ripping apart organizations that have no real impact on their lives...

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