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Help with transfer to MSU

  • Need help for my Vietnamese daughter who was accepted into the honors program last year at MSU. In her infinite wisdom she declined MSU and went to another school. Well, fast forward one year, she wants to transfer to MSU. Is it possible to still get into the honors collage as a transfer? She is looking at accounting/finance as a major. She often gets conflicting answers when talking to “secretaries” in the admissions department. I/She needs a good contact person who can help her out…can the power of the RCMb help me with some contacts? Feel free to flame away about my daughters prior decisions, but also need help on this process….thanks, I think.

    This post was edited by EXT85 on 4/25/2012 at 4:25 PM

    EXT85

  • I'm an honors college grad, wasn't in it my first year, though.

    In my opinion, dealing with the honors college administration was the most excruciating experience while I was on campus. Just amazingly annoying. One of them actually called me irresponsible bc I didn't plan on taking Honors sections in the numerous prerequisites like IAH, WRA, ISB, etc. The reason I didn't plan on it? I came in with 20+ credits from AP classes and couldn't even take them anymore lol.

    I think it will be way more trouble than it's worth. If she wants the extra experiences or line on the resume, tell her to worry about it once she gets on campus, or join an honors society/fraternity, or get involved with the (real) service frats, etc.

    Even further, if she's planning on going to grad school, no point in doing honors college work.

    Royal

  • Royal said...

    I'm an honors college grad, wasn't in it my first year, though.

    In my opinion, dealing with the honors college administration was the most excruciating experience while I was on campus. Just amazingly annoying. One of them actually called me irresponsible bc I didn't plan on taking Honors sections in the numerous prerequisites like IAH, WRA, ISB, etc. The reason I didn't plan on it? I came in with 20+ credits from AP classes and couldn't even take them anymore .

    I think it will be way more trouble than it's worth. If she wants the extra experiences or line on the resume, tell her to worry about it once she gets on campus, or join an honors society/fraternity, or get involved with the (real) service frats, etc.

    Even further, if she's planning on going to grad school, no point in doing honors college work.

    Yeah, don't listen to Royal.

    Call the Honors College directly for the info you need. There should be a faculty member in Accounting who is specifically assigned as an Honors College advisor. Find that person and talk to them.

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    Misterray

  • Misterray said...

    Yeah, don't listen to Royal.

    Call the Honors College directly for the info you need. There should be a faculty member in Accounting who is specifically assigned as an Honors College advisor. Find that person and talk to them.

    Why not? Royal had sound advice. And if his daughter does plan on going t grad school, don't do the honors college thing.

    Walter_Sanchez

  • Walter_Sanchez said...

    Why not? Royal had sound advice. And if his daughter does plan on going t grad school, don't do the honors college thing.


    I did honors college AND grad school. The honors college courses were some of the best I had at MSU with smaller class size and much higher level discussion. Closer to a grad school-type course.

    Telling someone not to bother with Honors College is simply idiotic.

    That's why.

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  • Honors College doesn't look good for graduate school? panic
    I would like to hear the reason why...

    AllDay86

  • EXT85 said...

    Need help for my Vietnamese daughter who was accepted into the honors program last year at MSU. In her infinite wisdom she declined MSU and went to another school. Well, fast forward one year, she wants to transfer to MSU. Is it possible to still get into the honors collage as a transfer? She is looking at accounting/finance as a major. She often gets conflicting answers when talking to “secretaries” in the admissions department. I/She needs a good contact person who can help her out…can the power of the RCMb help me with some contacts? Feel free to flame away about my daughters prior decisions, but also need to help on this process….thanks, I think.

    I used to do recruiting for the Honors College (and was a member myself). Have her call Bess German at (517)355-2326. She's the Director of Admissions at the MSU HC, and she'll be happy to help.

    If Bess is not available, have her call Liz Rabidoux (she basically helps Bess with admissions).

    arfabe16

  • AllDay86 said...

    Honors College doesn't look good for graduate school? panicI would like to hear the reason why...

    All lies. I was in the HC and went to grad school.

    HC was worth it for scheduling purposes alone. Plus, some of my Honors classes were the best classes I took at MSU, and we got to interact with profs a lot more than in regular classes.

    arfabe16

  • Don't go to the Honor's college. The classes are harder. Grades are the most important thing, much more important that that "honor's label - go get that 4.0, the importance of good grades outweighs the benefits of the honors college.

    Thepostmen

  • Another honors college graduate (who managed to make it into law school despite my honors college experience) here to say that the advice not to join the honors college if you can is horrible.

    Putting aside the future benefits of being in HC (and those certainly exist -- MSU doesn't have the strongest academic reputation, and having HC + high grades can help to mitigate that to some extent), being in the HC makes your academic experience while you're at MSU so much better. You can skip most of the BS IAH, ATL, etc. classes, skip prereqs for many classes, get into some classes that are supposed to be limited to certain majors/colleges, etc. (This is all my memory of how the system worked back in the late 90s when I was there.)

    Being part of the HC allows you to avoid a lot of the downsides of being at a large university (bureaucracy, one-size fits all approach) and gives you the chance to customize your academic experience to what you're interested in.

    Also, Bess is great. I worked on recruiting with her when I was there and she's good people (as are any of the other HC staff who I crossed paths with).

    voodoochile

  • I put it in her butt

    Brodson

  • im currently in the honors college and id honestly be lost without it. i get into any class i want without pre-reqs, plus a hefty amount of scholarship money id be royally effed without, and its going to look good when i graduate.

    bess german is definitely the one to talk to about getting into the program, but just wanted to refute some of these guys who are saying the honors college isnt worth it. its something you have to take advantage of IMO

    and shocked it hasnt been said yet, but pics?

    603spartan

  • 603spartan said...

    im currently in the honors college and id honestly be lost without it. i get into any class i want without pre-reqs, plus a hefty amount of scholarship money id be royally effed without, and its going to look good when i graduate.

    bess german is definitely the one to talk to about getting into the program, but just wanted to refute some of these guys who are saying the honors college isnt worth it. its something you have to take advantage of IMO

    and shocked it hasnt been said yet, but pics?

    Vietnamese, remember?...I’m really not a helicopter parent , but she is getting frustrated with the transfer and gets multiple different answers when she calls different people…thanks for all the help.

    EXT85

  • Thepostmen said...

    Don't go to the Honor's college. The classes are harder. Grades are the most important thing, much more important that that "honor's label - go get that 4.0, the importance of good grades outweighs the benefits of the honors college.

    If you're good enough to get into the Honors College, you're good enough to get a 4.0 in an Honors College class. The very point of a GOOD college education is to be challenged. If you can't manage high marks in an Honors section of a class, you are in trouble when it comes to Grad School.

    btw: There is no apostrophe in "Honors College".

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    Misterray

  • Rules people!!! Pics of most honorable daughter, please.

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    You're in college. The window of opportunity to drink and do drugs and take advantage of young girls is getting smaller by the day.

    OPatMSU

  • OP@MSU said...

    Rules people!!! Pics of most honorable daughter, please.

    Here you go....

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  • Misterray said...

    Here you go....

    She rooks ronery.

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    You're in college. The window of opportunity to drink and do drugs and take advantage of young girls is getting smaller by the day.

    OPatMSU

  • Avoid the Honors College. If blanch somehow got a 3.98 in that college its a complete joke.

    Posting member of tRCMB since 1997. It is ALWAYS a great day to be a Spartan!!!!

    Raytooth Morgan

  • The Honors Collage is not as good as the Honors Mural.

    RubberbandMan

  • Misterray said...

    Here you go....

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    LoneWolfSparty

  • Misterray said...

    If you're good enough to get into the Honors College, you're good enough to get a 4.0 in an Honors College class. The very point of a GOOD college education is to be challenged. If you can't manage high marks in an Honors section of a class, you are in trouble when it comes to Grad School.

    btw: There is no apostrophe in "Honors College".

    I can't disagree with you, I didn't know many Honor=s kids, but I know some very successful post undergraduate students that didn't go that route.

    But you're right, if you think that the point of a college education is to be challenged, than Honor^s is the way to go.History and English are challenging, but we all know that those majors aren't so popular because they're not prudent. If you are concerned about getting the best job, a 3.9 w/out honor|s is much better than a 3.6 with it. Not going the Honor*s route is looking out for number 1, you put yourself in a better position to be #1 in your class if you take easier classes.

    edit: And it's worth mentioning that you probably don't want to go to "grad school" anyway. Jobs for Ph.Ds are hard to come by, and the ones that do have jobs to offer - math, physics, biochem, genetics, computers - take a special kind of person.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Thepostmen on 4/25/2012 at 4:00 PM

    Thepostmen

  • Thepostmen said...

    I can't disagree with you, I didn't know many Honor=s kids, but I know some very successful post undergraduate students that didn't go that route.

    But you're right, if you think that the point of a college education is to be challenged, than Honor^s is the way to go.History and English are challenging, but we all know that those majors aren't so popular because they're not prudent. If you are concerned about getting the best job, a 3.9 w/out honor|s is much better than a 3.6 with it. Not going the Honor*s route is looking out for number 1, you put yourself in a better position to be #1 in your class if you take easier classes.

    Not sure why you think that Honors sections are THAT much harder. Not my experience. They are BETTER rather than harder. You come out of them with more knowledge and understanding of the subject. The professors also give you more benefit of the doubt and more personal attention.

    You are just completely off the mark on this topic.

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  • Misterray said...

    Not sure why you think that Honors sections are THAT much harder. Not my experience. They are BETTER rather than harder. You come out of them with more knowledge and understanding of the subject. The professors also give you more benefit of the doubt and more personal attention.

    You are just completely off the mark on this topic.

    That is well put. I have no idea how hard Honor/s classes are. If that is true than I see no downside to going that route.

    Thepostmen

  • Bob Sakimano said...

    but asian chicks are hot..

    the transfer process can be frustrating.. if she can visit campus, that can be helpful. It's easier to ignore students via telephone or email than when they're standing in front of you..

    good luck to Hau Phan..

    Yeah, that is what I figured...thanks for the help and I will see if she can get some face time ...I will let her take it from there. If she can't get into the Honors program, not the end of the world, but I at least want her to get some advice on scheduling for a business major and have somebody help her with credit transfer. I was a Nat Science guy many years ago , so no clue about the BA program.

    EXT85

  • Misterray said...

    Not sure why you think that Honors sections are THAT much harder. Not my experience. They are BETTER rather than harder. You come out of them with more knowledge and understanding of the subject. The professors also give you more benefit of the doubt and more personal attention.

    You are just completely off the mark on this topic.

    I think this is right about right. Some honors classes may be somewhat more difficult, but given the stories I've heard about people getting screwed over in IAH/ATL sort of classes by TAs or profs who were terrible teachers, arbitrary graders, etc., I think any additional difficulty in honors classes is more than offset by the opportunity to get into classes taught by professors who actually care about the subject they're teaching. Chances are, you're going to get a far better experience taking 300-level English class from a professor who is teaching an author or time period that they love rather than being stuck with some prof who's pissed at being handed a bunch of freshman IAH students to teach.

    Also, if you're seriously afraid that your GPA is going to significantly suffer if you take anything but the easiest classes, you don't have much confidence in your own abilities.

    voodoochile

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