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Hey Trevor - Sounds Like Apple Owes You Some $$

  • PortlandSpartan said...

    lol

    This doesn't sound like a justification at all.

    Yeah, THAT was a justification. what you originally called one was not. [insert mother of god meme]

    Serenity

  • Loose Stools said...

    Just wondering...

    Do you volunteer to pay taxes on internet purchases, or do you steal from the government?

    This is a pretty strong trump card. I don't, but I also don't claim any expenses from my business activities that hemmorhage money (for the love of the art, of course), so I'm overpaying if anything. I'm no hero, just an idiot.

    This post was edited by Thrillho on 4/11/2012 at 2:47 PM

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • hexydes said...

    You don't get it. Copyright infringement is not the same thing as stealing; if it was the same thing, it would be called stealing.

    Semantics. People who try to justify the stealing call it infringement.

    PortlandSpartan

  • Loose Stools said...

    Just wondering...

    Do you volunteer to pay taxes on internet purchases, or do you steal from the government?

    The state of Oregon has no sales tax?

    PortlandSpartan

  • Whenever I get involved in these discussions, the focus tends to be on music. But how do people think the movies would turn out if they couldn't be monetized? This obviously isn't the target everyone else is setting, but for those who are... It's a ridiculous target to set.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Thrillho on 4/11/2012 at 2:57 PM

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • Thrillho said...

    Whenever I get involved in these discussions, the focus tends to be on music. But how do people think the movies would turn out if they couldn't be monetized? This obviously isn't the target everyone else is setting, but for those who are... It's an ridiculous target to set.

    This is a ridiculous argument. You are so naive. Inconceivable!

    Serenity

  • PortlandSpartan said...

    The state of Oregon has no sales tax?

    aren't you supposed to pay sales tax to the state from which the product is being sold? I don't know, fo real.

    Serenity

  • PortlandSpartan said...

    The state of Oregon has no sales tax?

    Yeah, it was a trick question anyway. I don't believe in "volunteer taxes." If they can't legally collect it, it ain't a tax. The point is, we all have places where we decent to skirt the law (ever go 5 over the limit?), and I'll not start throwing stones when someone's personal sense of morals isn't line with mine (in a reasonable sense, of course).

    Also, this isn't about whether you pay for books or not. It's whether the company has violated the law by colluding to pix pricing. I am of the, admittedly warped, opinion if you charge a reasonable rate, most people will honor that and pay it. I do a ton of personal business with Amazon. I have no issue with paying for their services. Their Prime membership is one of the steals on the planet. Not only can you borrow e-books with Amazon, you can loan your book to someone else. It's a rather novel idea--you pay for something, and you have the ability to lend it to someone. Apple simply s**ts the bed thinking about that one.

    Loose Stools

  • Serenity said...

    aren't you supposed to pay sales tax to the state from which the product is being sold? I don't know, fo real.

    "Most states currently have Use Tax which specifically requires consumers to pay their state sales tax on purchases they make online that are not taxed by the business. There are some exemptions for certain types of products and for states that do not have any sales tax, but for the most part, taxes on these purchases are required to be paid to your state government."

    Oregon = no sales tax = no use tax

    Nice try Stools, nice try.

    PortlandSpartan

  • A CD or DVD costs about $1.50 to press and package. So infringement is equal to about 85% of theft. There's a difference, but not a huge one. Still, there is one.

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • PortlandSpartan said...

    "Most states currently have Use Tax which specifically requires consumers to pay their state sales tax on purchases they make online that are not taxed by the business. There are some exemptions for certain types of products and for states that do not have any sales tax, but for the most part, taxes on these purchases are required to be paid to your state government."

    Oregon = no sales tax = no use tax

    Nice try Stools, nice try.

    Great, now I know you don't live in Michigan. I'm glad, though, I made you actually look up the law to see if you were breaking it. I bet you were sweating it for a second, though.

    Loose Stools

  • Loose Stools said...

    Great, now I know you don't live in Michigan. I'm glad, though, I made you actually look up the law to see if you were breaking it. I bet you were sweating it for a second, though.

    The questionmark in my post was intentional. I thought pretty strongly that no state tax means no state tax, but I wasn't positive.

    And yes, I was really worried you had backed me into a corner with the ultimate gotcha.

    PortlandSpartan

  • Thrillho said...

    A CD or DVD costs about $1.50 to press and package. So infringement is equal to about 85% of theft. There's a difference, but not a huge one. Still, there is one.

    No man, you're wrong. It's like this: The stars shine and twinkle all the time, 1.50 is but a dime in the big circle of life. 85% at night, birds in flight.

    Serenity

  • PortlandSpartan said...

    The questionmark in my post was intentional. I thought pretty strongly that no state tax means no state tax, but I wasn't positive.

    And yes, I was really worried you had backed me into a corner with the ultimate gotcha.

    Well, I wouldn't say "ultimate," but it was close to 60 Minutes standards.

    This post was edited by Loose Stools on 4/11/2012 at 3:18 PM

    Loose Stools

  • Loose Stools said...

    Well, I wouldn't say "ultimate," but it was close to 60 Minutes standards.

    Certainly not "To Catch A Predator", but close to 60 Minutes I'll give ya that.

    RIP Mike Wallace.

    PortlandSpartan

  • PortlandSpartan said...

    RIP Mike Wallace.

    We find common ground, at last.

    Loose Stools

  • PortlandSpartan said...

    Semantics. People who try to justify the stealing call it infringement.

    If that's your position, why even bother having an English language?

    Like I said (I forget if it was in this thread or the other similar one), people are getting charged with copyright infringement, not theft. Theft is what you are charged with when you walk into a store and take a physical CD off of the shelf. People are getting charged with copyright infringement because they do not have the permission from the rights-holder to distribute the content.

    So, it's not semantics; there is a very distinguishable difference.

    hexydes

  • hexydes said...

    If that's your position, why even bother having an English language?

    Like I said (I forget if it was in this thread or the other similar one), people are getting charged with copyright infringement, not theft. Theft is what you are charged with when you walk into a store and take a physical CD off of the shelf. People are getting charged with copyright infringement because they do not have the permission from the rights-holder to distribute the content.

    So, it's not semantics; there is a very distinguishable difference.

    English language? You mean the one where words can have different meanings in different contexts? Where there is often gray areas and room to read between the lines?

    In a court of law (where semantics are beaten to death) there is a difference. To me, in the real world, there isn't any difference. I'm not talking about this in a strictly legal parlance. To me, there is no difference in something physical, something I can hold in my hand vs. something digital. The end use of those things is the same.

    Of course, fair use comes into play but IMO the vast majority of people pirating stuff are not using those works in any valid form of free use.

    PortlandSpartan

  • Is using youtube2mp3 stealing? Even if it comes from the VEMO youtube channel?

    "Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson

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  • Trevor Barnes said...

    Why would they owe me any money Bully? I've never purchased any books from the iBooks store.

    In that case you should thank me for warning you of your impending ripoff had you ever decided to read a iBook.wink_msu

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • PortlandSpartan said...

    English language? You mean the one where words can have different meanings in different contexts? Where there is often gray areas and room to read between the lines?

    In a court of law (where semantics are beaten to death) there is a difference. To me, in the real world, there isn't any difference. I'm not talking about this in a strictly legal parlance. To me, there is no difference in something physical, something I can hold in my hand vs. something digital. The end use of those things is the same.

    Of course, fair use comes into play but IMO the vast majority of people pirating stuff are not using those works in any valid form of free use.

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    hexydes