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Honors College @ MSU

  • Is it worth it? Anyone with experience/advice would be greatly appreciated

    spartan2

    This post was edited by lpg2624 on 1/26/2012 at 11:55 AM

    lpg2624

  • Absolutely 100% worth it.

    Definitely do it if you have the opportunity.

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  • Misterray said...

    Absolutely 100% worth it.

    Definitely do it if you have the opportunity.

    agreed.

    You get enrollment privileges, plus the additive on your diploma. You don't have to take pre-reqs and you don't have to take the University requirements. You can adjust your curriculum to however you'd like (to an extent). And all you have to do is take a few extra "honors credits" (which often are actually even more beneficial and/or interesting than the standard courses.

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  • Nutz Interface said...

    agreed.

    You get enrollment privileges, plus the additive on your diploma. You don't have to take pre-reqs and you don't have to take the University requirements. You can adjust your curriculum to however you'd like (to an extent). And all you have to do is take a few extra "honors credits" (which often are actually even more beneficial and/or interesting than the standard courses.

    This. I had a good experience and would recommend.

    Also, maybe the Honors College will teach the OP to use the search function.

    This post was edited by numberonealcove on 1/26/2012 at 12:01 PM

    numberonealcove

  • Ask blanche....lol

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    pulling69

  • pulling69 said...

    Ask blanche....lol

    I was going to say, even if you don't do it you can always lie about it like blanch.

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  • the HC is great, I loved the small classes and early enrollment. You can pick classes before everybody but scholarship athletes I believe.

    BearMining4Coal

  • Flexible scheduling for core requirements is worth it by itself. The key is honors classes in your major/college. That was the key selling pt for me

    blanch32

  • Rogue Leader said...

    I was going to say, even if you don't do it you can always lie about it like blanch.

    I seriously should have some kind of fundraiser to prove what a genius I truly was at msu.

    blanch32

  • blanch32 said...

    I seriously should have some kind of fundraiser to prove what a genius I truly was at msu.

    lol

    Yea, that sounds like a typical honors college decision.

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  • Very much worth it, in addition to signing up for classes earlier:

    1) You can usually get into just about any class you want to take.

    2) Grad classes count as honors credits, and are usually pretty easy relative to 400 level undergrad classes.

    2) You can swap out gen eds for more interesting classes. For example, I took Linguistics, a religion class, and Honors Econ. All obscenely easy, and way more interesting than the BS IAH/ISS crap everyone else takes.

    Edit: I majored in Biochem and Genomics. Usefulness no doubt varies by major.

    This post was edited by Mayleman on 1/26/2012 at 12:46 PM

    Mayleman

  • Not worth it. It is meaningless when it comes time to apply for jobs or get into grad school, and it's a lot more work. A 3.8 without honors looks better than a 3.5 with honors. Grad schools and business could care less about honors. I've heard this from more than one person on graduate school acceptance boards.

    It's true that you get to pick classes first, that is definetly nice. But I really think that in the long run, it is better to forego the honors route.

    Thepostmen

  • Rogue Leader said...

    I was going to say, even if you don't do it you can always lie about it like blanch.

    I seriously should have some kind of fundraiser to prove what a genius I truly was at msu.

    blanch32

  • Thepostmen said...

    Not worth it. It is meaningless when it comes time to apply for jobs or get into grad school, and it's a lot more work. A 3.8 without honors looks better than a 3.5 with honors. Grad schools and business could care less about honors. I've heard this from more than one person on graduate school acceptance boards.

    It's true that you get to pick classes first, that is definetly nice. But I really think that in the long run, it is better to forego the honors route.

    Most Honors sections are definitely easier and also the retarded IAH/ISS papers don't bring down your grade.

    Macks

  • Rogue Leader said...

    lol

    Yea, that sounds like a typical honors college decision.

    That or we could make a bet. Id gladly post my transcript on here if my personal data was scrubbed.

    blanch32

  • Thepostmen said...

    Not worth it. It is meaningless when it comes time to apply for jobs or get into grad school, and it's a lot more work. A 3.8 without honors looks better than a 3.5 with honors. Grad schools and business could care less about honors. I've heard this from more than one person on graduate school acceptance boards.

    It's true that you get to pick classes first, that is definetly nice. But I really think that in the long run, it is better to forego the honors route.

    FWIW, Physics was the only honors class i did poorly in. Other than that, my GPA in honors classes was higher than my non honors classes. It doesn't necessarily drag you down.

    Mayleman

  • Macks said...

    Most Honors sections are definitely easier and also the retarded IAH/ISS papers don't bring down your grade.

    I know someone was going to say something like this. If that's the way you see it, fine. I thought that all the pre-reqs were super easy and gpa boosters, I know that some people don't feel that way. But, don't tell me that honors is easier, I was friends with many people doing the honors college from my major, and it was not easier. And, come on, it's the honors college, it's supposed to be harder. If you want to join the honors college because it's easier, I think you might be going about things the wrong way.

    Thepostmen

  • Thepostmen said...

    Not worth it. It is meaningless when it comes time to apply for jobs or get into grad school, and it's a lot more work. A 3.8 without honors looks better than a 3.5 with honors. Grad schools and business could care less about honors. I've heard this from more than one person on graduate school acceptance boards.

    It's true that you get to pick classes first, that is definetly nice. But I really think that in the long run, it is better to forego the honors route.

    Can't comment on the grad school side but businesses could give a shit since 95% of the interviewers have not a clue what that even means. Nonetheless you actually learn the matl more w cooler students. Believe it or not but the craxiest time I had at msu was on the business honors study abroad in mexico. Holy shit!

    blanch32

  • Thepostmen said...

    I know someone was going to say something like this. If that's the way you see it, fine. I thought that all the pre-reqs were super easy and gpa boosters, I know that some people don't feel that way. But, don't tell me that honors is easier, I was friends with many people doing the honors college from my major, and it was not easier. And, come on, it's the honors college, it's supposed to be harder. If you want to join the honors college because it's easier, I think you might be going about things the wrong way.

    Can be easier than the std classes bc you write more papers and do more projects. if you can write and work in a group then its easier if that makes sense. Clearly I dominate at both.

    blanch32


  • It really depends. I am applying to a couple competitive grad schools and everybody and their sister has some kind of "honors" program on their application.

    I also noticed that some professors do a half-assed job of teaching their honors courses since these "gifted" students should be able to figure out material not covered in class. This is especially true in mathematics courses.

    That being said, early enrollment is useful (for freshman/sophomore classes) and some honors courses are actually more interesting than the normal sections.

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  • Depends what you're going into. My wife is currently in it and is majoring in History towards secondary ed and she thinks it's garbage. They make you write a 50+ page thesis your senior year if you are in the a humanities major and maybe others too. The worst part is you have to pay for three credits each semester just to write the damn paper. If she hadn't used their overrides for so many of her requirements she would have left it. From what I have heard definitely not worth it.

    Balls of Rice

  • I'd definitely say it's worth it. It's not really valuable on the resume; professional employers don't give a damn, and graduate schools pretty much assume that you were top 10% in the general undergraduate pool. But it lets you skip a lot of the BS your first couple years, and I'd say the best advantage is being able to choose your gen-ed classes. I admit I skipped a lot of the pre-reqs in physics and chemistry, and while that's fun and all, occasionally you can get yourself into trouble.

    Basically, just make sure you use it to make your life easier, not harder. Take the classes you want, reorganize your schedule so it feels better, but don't bust your ass for a largely meaningless title. Most of my honors "credits" were short and mindless projects in easy classes.

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  • Thepostmen said...

    Not worth it. It is meaningless when it comes time to apply for jobs or get into grad school, and it's a lot more work. A 3.8 without honors looks better than a 3.5 with honors. Grad schools and business could care less about honors. I've heard this from more than one person on graduate school acceptance boards.

    It's true that you get to pick classes first, that is definetly nice. But I really think that in the long run, it is better to forego the honors route.

    Are you serious?

    The scholarship money for, at least, an out of state student is fantastic. Both my son and I were HC grads; and neither of us had any debt on graduation. Of course, in my case, we were still paying in rabbit pelts. In the case of the kid, the MSU Honors College cost was much less than if he went to Penn State's Honors College as an instate admission.

    Grad schools most certainly look at honors work.

    Philly Spartan

  • Thepostmen said...

    Not worth it. It is meaningless when it comes time to apply for jobs or get into grad school, and it's a lot more work. A 3.8 without honors looks better than a 3.5 with honors. Grad schools and business could care less about honors. I've heard this from more than one person on graduate school acceptance boards.

    It's true that you get to pick classes first, that is definetly nice. But I really think that in the long run, it is better to forego the honors route.

    If you're looking into grad school, it could make a difference (I can't speak to which would be better). The Honors College isn't about improving your GPA, it's about the experience while you're in school. It's about being able to take the classes you actually WANT to take instead of the ones you HAVE to. Making a decision on whether to go to the HC based on what your GPA will be is probably going to be flawed. Graduating with a 3.5/honors or a 3.8 is going to be irrelevant in pretty much any field of employment.

    Also, if you do choose to go into the Honors College, don't rule out IAH/ISS classes just because you don't have to take them anymore. I took one of each and they were two of my favorite classes during my four years.

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  • Thepostmen said...

    Not worth it. It is meaningless when it comes time to apply for jobs or get into grad school, and it's a lot more work. A 3.8 without honors looks better than a 3.5 with honors. Grad schools and business could care less about honors. I've heard this from more than one person on graduate school acceptance boards.

    It's true that you get to pick classes first, that is definetly nice. But I really think that in the long run, it is better to forego the honors route.

    Sure, but you don't have to take Honors classes. Just do enough H-Options to remain on track for 8 at graduation (I actually fell short by one so my diplomas don't say 'with Honors College distinction' on them). The flexibility and class selection priority is more than worth it.

    PRStoetzer