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I like eating beef & chicken, but someone please educate me...

  • Watch this video, there's honestly nothing graphic in it or anything like that.

    I'm just wondering, what are the advantages of housing livestock the way that it is done now? I'm not a vegan, I don't belong to PETA, I don't consider myself to be a radical, I just don't see the point of the way it's done now. Aren't we better than that?

    Take the time to watch the presentation, it really is a good watch, and I don't think he's saying anything unreasonable or radical.

    Play

    TEDxManhattan - Wayne Pacelle - Animal Fac...

    http://www.tedxmanhattan.org/2012talks As President and CEO of The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), Wayne Pacelle leads the nation's largest animal protection organization with 11 million members and constituents. The organization is the 155th largest charity in the United States. During his tenure, Pacelle has nearly doubled the size of the organization and, through corporate combinations with groups such as The Fund for Animals and the Doris Day Animal League, built unity and greater efficiency within the animal protection cause. He has led successful efforts to pass hundreds of new state and federal laws to protect animals, expanded The HSUS's animal care operations, and worked with dozens of corporations to enact operational changes that benefit animals. Pacelle was named one of NonProfit Times' "Executives of the Year" in 2005 for his leadership in responding to the Hurricane Katrina crisis. A graduate of Yale, he is also author of the New York Times bestseller, The Bond: Our Kinship with Animals, Our Call to Defend Them. More information at http://www.tedxmanhattan.org About TEDx, x = independently organized event: In the spirit of ideas worth spreading, TEDx is a program of local, self-organized events that bring people together to share a TED-like experience. At a TEDx event, TEDTalks video and live speakers combine to spark deep discussion and connection in a small group. These local, self-organized events are branded TEDx, where x = independently organized TED event. The TED Conference provides general guidance for the TEDx program, but individual TEDx events are self-organized.* (*Subject to certain rules and regulations)

    http://www.youtube.com/v/I2pMlY2sJts

    Trevor Barnes

  • TED talks are great.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy ●

  • Think the cows care if you give them a hand job before tossing them in to a meat grinder? It's a nonsense arguement to say its cruel treatment when you are planning to kill the animal and eat it anyway, then walk around with its skin on your shoes and belt.

    Rook

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    TED talks are great.

    So are your wife's blowies!

    Brodson

  • Seems like we like our meat fatty. Animals are naturally lean. Keeping them from moving makes them fat which equals tastier meat. thumbsup

    LoneWolfSparty

  • got bored after 2 minutes. needs to be shorter for me to watch

    "Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson

    tig ol bitties19581 ●

  • Rook said...

    Think the cows care if you give them a hand job before tossing them in to a meat grinder? It's a nonsense arguement to say its cruel treatment when you are planning to kill the animal and eat it anyway, then walk around with its skin on your shoes and belt.

    True, but the challenge becomes, to what degree, are we creating a healthy food source. In the mass consumer market, we eat unhealthy animals, pumped up with drugs and chemicals, raised and butchered in unhealthy and unsanitary conditions. A by-product of that focus may be more humane treatment of animals, but you can also view it selfishly and examine how the many health problems in the US could be improved by focusing on creating a healthier supply of meat. It's impossible, in my view, to look at factory farming and think that's good for humanity. So the question of how do we look at building a sustainable, ethical, and healthy food supply is valid and far more than a hand-job at the slaughter table.......

    "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." --Gandhi

    Heathens 87

  • LoneWolfSparty said...

    Seems like we like our meat fatty. Animals are naturally lean. Keeping them from moving makes them fat which equals tastier meat. thumbsup

    Grass fed beef >>>>> corn fed beef

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy ●

  • Heathens '87 said...

    True, but the challenge becomes, to what degree, are we creating a healthy food source. In the mass consumer market, we eat unhealthy animals, pumped up with drugs and chemicals, raised and butchered in unhealthy and unsanitary conditions. A by-product of that focus may be more humane treatment of animals, but you can also view it selfishly and examine how the many health problems in the US could be improved by focusing on creating a healthier supply of meat. It's impossible, in my view, to look at factory farming and think that's good for humanity. So the question of how do we look at building a sustainable, ethical, and healthy food supply is valid and far more than a hand-job at the slaughter table.......

    I'm all for a sustainable and quality food supply and if you want to give cows room to roam in order to produce higher quality steaks, go for it. I just don't really care if it's "inhumane".

    Rook

  • Heathens '87 said...

    True, but the challenge becomes, to what degree, are we creating a healthy food source. In the mass consumer market, we eat unhealthy animals, pumped up with drugs and chemicals, raised and butchered in unhealthy and unsanitary conditions. A by-product of that focus may be more humane treatment of animals, but you can also view it selfishly and examine how the many health problems in the US could be improved by focusing on creating a healthier supply of meat. It's impossible, in my view, to look at factory farming and think that's good for humanity. So the question of how do we look at building a sustainable, ethical, and healthy food supply is valid and far more than a hand-job at the slaughter table.......

    Yep. Important point - all the antibiotics we already pump into the cattle is having less of an effect as bacteria become resistant.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy ●

  • Rook said...

    Think the cows care if you give them a hand job before tossing them in to a meat grinder? It's a nonsense arguement to say its cruel treatment when you are planning to kill the animal and eat it anyway, then walk around with its skin on your shoes and belt.

    Cow’s are female cattle. Maybe you want to fingerblast them before slaughter?

    Jimmy McBride

  • Rook said...

    I'm all for a sustainable and quality food supply and if you want to give cows room to roam in order to produce higher quality steaks, go for it. I just don't really care if it's "inhumane".

    Sure, but what you'll find is that healthy animals slaughtered under the right conditions in terms of sanitation, stress on the animal, process, etc. produce healthier meats. I'm someone who walks that line between vegetarian and limited meat-eating, but I get my eggs and meat from local farmers. I know how their animals are raised, what they're fed, how they're slaughtered, etc. The animal is killed, which is, in itself, inhumane, but it's done quickly and in a way that the animals doesn't flood it's body with stress hormones before death. Up north, while it's not my interest, I respect those who hunt, can take an animal quickly, and use that meat that hasn't been artificially produced. Like I said, however you want to approach it, unless you're just willing to turn a blind-eye and shove anything "tasty" down your gullet, factory farming is not in our best interests.......

    "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." --Gandhi

    Heathens 87

  • The Walmart phenomena - everyone hates it but it is the number one retailer.

    People want cheap stuff, including food.

    This post was edited by Bridon Gueermo on 4/18/2012 at 2:32 PM

    Bridon Gueermo ●

  • On the other side of the dichotomy, the resources people use on their pets baffles me. FWIW, I don't own a pet, I have no desire to own a pet, I think most people who own pets are pretty much idiots (sorry).

    Bridon Gueermo ●

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    TED talks are great.

    They're downright fantastic most of the time. There hasn't been a single TEDx presentation I've watched, regardless of the topic, where I regretted spending the time to watch it.

    Trevor Barnes

  • Bridon Gueermo said...

    The Walmart phenomena - everyone hate sit but it is the number one retailer.

    People want cheap stuff, including food.

    Don't underestimate the contributions of farm policy and advertising. Subsidies flood our markets with cheap HFCS which is now in everything. Cheap, less than nutritious, high caloric foods flood our supermarkets and restaurants. And happy families on the boob tube are "lovin' it".

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy ●

  • Heathens '87 said...

    Sure, but what you'll find is that healthy animals slaughtered under the right conditions in terms of sanitation, stress on the animal, process, etc. produce healthier meats. I'm someone who walks that line between vegetarian and limited meat-eating, but I get my eggs and meat from local farmers. I know how their animals are raised, what they're fed, how they're slaughtered, etc. The animal is killed, which is, in itself, inhumane, but it's done quickly and in a way that the animals doesn't flood it's body with stress hormones before death. Up north, while it's not my interest, I respect those who hunt, can take an animal quickly, and use that meat that hasn't been artificially produced. Like I said, however you want to approach it, unless you're just willing to turn a blind-eye and shove anything "tasty" down your gullet, factory farming is not in our best interests.......

    Heathens is right, but as discussed in the organic thread, this could have severe food availability ramifications.

    LoneWolfSparty

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    They're downright fantastic most of the time. There hasn't been a single TEDx presentation I've watched, regardless of the topic, where I regretted spending the time to watch it.

    Nice thing too is that, even if you aren't crazy about the talk in the end, you've only wasted 20-30 mintues tops.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy ●

  • Bridon Gueermo said...

    On the other side of the dichotomy, the resources people use on their pets baffles me. FWIW, I don't own a pet, I have no desire to own a pet, I think most people who own pets are pretty much idiots (sorry).

    roflmao

    only on the interwebs.

    Lomez

  • LoneWolfSparty said...

    Heathens is right, but as discussed in the organic thread, this could have severe food availability ramifications.

    Nah, at most we'd have to be satisfied with a little less meat in our diets.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy ●

  • Lomez said...

    only on the interwebs.

    I am really not trying to preach, but I did watch the video - which of course focuses on the dichotomy. There is an undeniable difference in how we treat farm animals and pets. When such a difference exists, almost always we are wrong on both sides of the coin.

    This post was edited by Bridon Gueermo on 4/18/2012 at 2:45 PM

    Bridon Gueermo ●

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    Nah, at most we'd have to be satisfied with a little less meat in our diets.

    Except that will never happen.

    All Ages Shows ●

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    Watch this video, there's honestly nothing graphic in it or anything like that.

    I'm just wondering, what are the advantages of housing livestock the way that it is done now? I'm not a vegan, I don't belong to PETA, I don't consider myself to be a radical, I just don't see the point of the way it's done now. Aren't we better than that?

    Take the time to watch the presentation, it really is a good watch, and I don't think he's saying anything unreasonable or radical.

    The "advantage" is it makes the dollar menu possible. If consumers show that they're willing to alter their choices so they don't support companies that treat animals this way, changes will be made. But most consumers seem to just mindlessly go for the cheapest option in most cases.

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    Yo Teach ●

  • All Ages Shows said...

    Except that will never happen.

    It's likely inevitable...

    We're at what, around 7 billion people here on Earth? The vast majority don't live close to our standard of living. We may be at around 10 billion in another 30 years or so. In between now and then the "developing" world will continue to strive to reach our std of living.

    Where is all that meat supposed to come from? Oceans are already overfished. Areas for new pasture are declining every year and deforestation continues to be a huge problem for a number of reasons.

    Many of us will likely have to adapt to a different diet eventually. (or at least, our children/grandchildren will).

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy ●

  • Bridon Gueermo said...

    On the other side of the dichotomy, the resources people use on their pets baffles me. FWIW, I don't own a pet, I have no desire to own a pet, I think most people who own pets are pretty much idiots (sorry).

    As someone that has always had pampered dogs, that I have spent thousands of dollars on (both purchasing them, feeding and caring for them etc)....I have to agree with this. I love my dogs but I have to be an idiot to have spent that much money over the years!

    LoneWolfSparty

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