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I really hope FedEx/UPS eventually drives USPS to extinction.

  • Madhatter536 said...

    Depends on how far you are sending it. I live 45 miles from Kalamazoo. It would be stupid to send something by air to Kalamazoo, wouldn't it?

    In that case you should drive it yourself by bicycle, but make sure you only ride on the sidewalks.

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  • Madhatter536 said...

    The USPS isn't a government agency. It was privatized years ago.

    Minus well be. For all the regulation attached to USPS, it is for all intent owned and run by Uncle Sam.

    Sgost8

  • Madhatter536 said...

    Depends on how far you are sending it. I live 45 miles from Kalamazoo. It would be stupid to send something by air to Kalamazoo, wouldn't it?

    And depending on the weight it probably doesn't make sense. I just had a 115 lb tv stand shipped to me...free ground shipping. Going air wouldn't have been very economical.

    Chitown_Badger

  • Giant Moose said...

    In that case you should drive it yourself by bicycle, but make sure you only ride on the sidewalks.

    LOL. What I should have clarified is that the business where I used to work, I was a shipping clerk. I sent stuff via UPS all over the country. Including Kalamazoo, which as stated is 45 miles away. Kalamazoo was next day ground service. In fact the hub is in Kalamazoo. One day one of the idiots in the office wanted me to next day air a 1 pound package to Kalamazoo, at 4 times the cost of ground rate. I tried to explain that sending it air freight was unnecessary and overly expensive. He told me to do it anyway, so I did. Three days later his boss asked me why I sent it air freight to Kazoo and cost the company so much more freight charges. I explained why and the idiot got his ass chewed. That is why I say sending something via air freight depends on how far you are sending it. Sometimes, it just isn't necessary.

    Madhatter536

  • Sgost8 said...

    Minus well be. For all the regulation attached to USPS, it is for all intent owned and run by Uncle Sam.

    Might as well be, but it isn't. And no other private agency will step up and do what the USPS does for the rates the USPS charges. I do all of my businesses shipping with the USPS because UPS or FedEx would cost me 3-4 times more.

    Madhatter536

  • Duke Silver said...

    Are you sure about that, it might be low but not zero.

    I already said earlier, they get about $100 million in tax funding per year.

    Howver, they get other benefits of being a government agency (no tax liability, eminent domain, etc).

    LoneWolfSparty

  • LoneWolfSparty said...

    I already said earlier, they get about $100 million in tax funding per year.

    Howver, they get other benefits of being a government agency (no tax liability, eminent domain, etc).

    The USPS is not a government agency any more.

    Madhatter536

  • Sgost8 said...

    Minus well be. For all the regulation attached to USPS, it is for all intent owned and run by Uncle Sam.

    signed,

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  • Hatter, sigh. Look it up. While they aren't govt funded (except for the $100 million a year they are appropriated) they are a govt agency. And as such are exempt from federal taxes, can use eminent domain, etc. quit trying to change facts to suit you're own purposes.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by LoneWolfSparty on 5/14/2012 at 1:16 PM

    LoneWolfSparty

  • The main money maker for UPS and FedEx is that they can deliver door-to-door way quicker then any other service. If you're near any major city, most of the time if you drop off a package by 2-3pm and choose Next Day early AM, it will be delivered by 9am. UPS makes most of their money off of corporate clients, not single packages sent by most consumers. They can afford to gouge people for a single shipment.

    This post was edited by MapeNasty on 5/14/2012 at 1:07 PM

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  • Hatter, Bee. Can one of you guys post links?

    Io Triumphe

  • I'm OK with USPS even if they have staffing problems. The one down the street went from 3 to 2 service counters - but sometimes it's only 1 counter and I always end up behind someone buying like 27 money orders. They need to issue those things from a kiosk.

    FIJI239 81

  • tGreenWay said...

    I love the EL post office. The people at the counter have always been nice to me, and in 25+ years of leasing a box, there've only been 2 problems with deliveries (which were quickly resolved).

    That's a far better success rate and much better customer service than most of the other businesses I've frequented over long periods of time.

    The only time I didn't like the E.L.P.O. was like July 1980 when I had to register for the Selective Service System. Other than that, I don't think I ever went in there.

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  • Some of them are getting kiosks for shipping stuff and just buying stamps.

    But come on people. You really think there wont be massive problems if the USPS just disappeared? They have like 80% of the business in this country. If you think lines are long now just think about the massive number of people trying to use only FedEx and UPS... I wouldn't be surprised if those two companies actually want the PO to stay in business.

    And the USPS has to send things to Guam and bases all over the world at the same price as if I sent a letter across the state. Think about that!

    manofthewild07

  • manofthewild07 said...

    Some of them are getting kiosks for shipping stuff and just buying stamps.

    But come on people. You really think there wont be massive problems if the USPS just disappeared? They have like 80% of the business in this country. If you think lines are long now just think about the massive number of people trying to use only FedEx and UPS... I wouldn't be surprised if those two companies actually want the PO to stay in business.

    And the USPS has to send things to Guam and bases all over the world at the same price as if I sent a letter across the state. Think about that!

    I am trying to word this very delicately. I think there is a group of people, that do not think about long term logistics when it comes to shutting down agencies. While it may "save" some money and become financially "secure" it does not by any means mean an end to head aches. Cut first ask questions later does not necessarily equate better services.

    Io Triumphe

  • This thread was just frustration brought upon myself by procrastinating and working up until 2 days before we moved cross country. I'm now relaxing with a 24oz of Dos XX at the Hampton Inn in Amarillo. I'm pretty sure I got raped by UPS/FedEx, but at least they were nice and used lube. Also, those 3 extra days I worked more than paid for the entire move. I appreciate USPS, but a lot of their employees lack customer service skills, and their hours suck.

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  • The Doctor said...

    I know they cost more, but customer service goes a long ways. If you go into a UPS or FedEx, and need to ship something, not only are they adequately staffed, but they are more than willing to help you. In contrast, at USPS, not only are they understaffed, but if you don't have everything exactly ready to go, they give you this condescending tone like you are bothering them. Do they pre-screen USPS workers with personality tests, so that they only accept assholes?

    Perhaps the USPS should be privatized? What with emails and competiton from UPS and Fedex I don't see how they survive in anything like their current size. The only thing that really keeps them going now is junk mail.

    Or perhaps it should go totally digital? Not sure exactly how that would work. Rent laptops to people that can't afford them? The price of laptops continues to drop. More and more people of modest means can afford them.

    The days of hundreds of thousands of mailmen dropping off mail by hand to everyone's home, regardless if they live in the middle of nowhere or not, are numbered. I am not happy about the prospect but it is another sad reality.

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  • LoneWolfSparty said...

    I already said earlier, they get about $100 million in tax funding per year.

    Howver, they get other benefits of being a government agency (no tax liability, eminent domain, etc).

    "The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations. We are required by law to cover our costs."

    This post was edited by Trevor Barnes on 5/15/2012 at 6:11 AM

    Postal Facts

    http://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-facts/welcome.htm

    about.usps.com

    Trevor Barnes

  • Duke Silver said...

    Are you sure about that, it might be low but not zero.

    Yes, we're sure.

    Trevor Barnes

  • Good luck using UPS or Fed Ex if the USPS shuts down...

    "The Postal Service can and does compete with the private sector — and it collaborates, too. UPS and FedEx pay the Postal Service to deliver more than 400 million of their ground packages to residences and the Postal Service pays them for air transportation — taking advantage of their comprehensive air network."

    Trevor Barnes

  • LoneWolfSparty said...

    Hatter, sigh. Look it up. While they aren't govt funded (except for the $100 million a year they are appropriated) they are a govt agency. And as such are exempt from federal taxes, can use eminent domain, etc. quit trying to change facts to suit you're own purposes.

    The USPS is no longer a branch of the government.

    Madhatter536

  • Madhatter536 said...

    The USPS is no longer a branch of the government.

    Wrong. It's classified as an independent agency of the Government.

    PRStoetzer

  • PRStoetzer said...

    Wrong. It's classified as an independent agency of the Government.

    Exactly. Hatter is just living up to his usual big government loving self.

    They get $100 milion a year in direct federal funds. They pay no corporate taxes. They are exempt from most property taxes. They can use eminent domain. The problem is that they are the second largest employer behind Walmart so our elected officials are afraid to touch them. It is ridiculous.

    LoneWolfSparty

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    "The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations. We are required by law to cover our costs."

    No that isn't correct.

    The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters. However, it does receive tens to hundreds of millions per year in "implicit subsidies", such as breaks on property tax, vehicle registration, and sales tax, in addition to subsidized government loans.[6] Revenue in the 2000s has been dropping sharply due to declining mail volume,[7] prompting the postal service to look to other sources of revenue while cutting costs to reduce its budget deficit.[8]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service

    The minor exception ends up being abotu $100 million/year.

    LoneWolfSparty

  • The Doctor said...

    I know they cost more, but customer service goes a long ways. If you go into a UPS or FedEx, and need to ship something, not only are they adequately staffed, but they are more than willing to help you. In contrast, at USPS, not only are they understaffed, but if you don't have everything exactly ready to go, they give you this condescending tone like you are bothering them. Do they pre-screen USPS workers with personality tests, so that they only accept assholes?

    Go straight to the short bus. Congress placed an unfair and unsustainable burden on the USPS when they passed a law that required the PO to fully fund 75 years of pension in 10 years. Further, there are a ton of services the PO isn't allowed to deliver, by law, so FedEx & UPS can compete.

    I recently shipped products back to a client and the difference be USPS & Fed Ex is incredible, and simply a rip off. When the USPS is gone and there's no service from UPS or Fed Ex in thousands of small towns that currently rely on a PO, a lot of small business is going to be screwed. Franklin is spinning at high rpm with the foolishness going on regarding his postal service.

    spartan80