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msuhockeycj said...
Take Portland and go with it. It's going to be a very long time before Detroit gets a team. They aren't mentioned anywhere in the running for the next two expansion cylces. New York is probably going to get another team. Orlando City FC will get a spot, then maybe San Antonio who constantly puts over 10,000 in the stands for a lower class league. I've heard Minnesota discussed before Detroit and that's sad.
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Batesianmimicry said...
MLS will never move back into Florida. It would be the same exact story as the Atlanta Thrashers.
I don't think the MLS wants another Texas franchise.
NY makes sense, but the Cosmos bid is a complete mess.
Minnesota needs an investor. They barely kept the Vikings in town, an obviously any stadium would need to be a completely new entity.
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Batesianmimicry said...
MLS will never move back into Florida. It would be the same exact story as the Atlanta Thrashers.
I don't think the MLS wants another Texas franchise.
NY makes sense, but the Cosmos bid is a complete mess.
Minnesota needs an investor. They barely kept the Vikings in town, an obviously any stadium would need to be a completely new entity.
The one thing we've learned this year about soccer and Detroit is that downtown >>>> suburbs. To me that signals the end of the Silverdome idea. Detroit City FC has drawn pretty well with it's grass-roots effort. Their supporters are all those young people who actually live in the city. Those people aren't going to drive to Pontiac. For that matter, no one is going to drive to Pontiac. The Michigan Bucks on the other hand never have drawn well, and have always played in the suburbs.
Gilbert, Karmanos, and Illitch seem like the logical contenders to get in on an MLS franchise if it made sense. Gilbert and Illitch seem to be the ones buying up all that downtown land. I wouldn't put it past Gilbert to buy the Revolution or Crew, build a stadium, and bring them to Detroit.
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msuhockeycj said...
I was pumped when the US decided to come to Ford field but then the attendance was terrible. I just don't think a soccer franchise can survive in Detroit at this time. Maybe it will be different in 10 years.
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I was pumped when the US decided to come to Ford field but then the attendance was terrible.
U.S. national team continues dominance of Canada at Gold Cup opener at Ford Field
The United States Mens National Team kept a couple of winning streaks alive with their neighbors to the north following a 2-0 victory over Canada in their opening game of the 2011 CONCACAF Gold Cup at Detroit's Ford Field.
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hyeguy said...
I was at that game...I actually thought the attendance was pretty good, except the one side of the stadium where all the Canada fans were sitting...
"It was Ford Field's first soccer match, and the announced attendance of 28,209 was the largest crowd at a group match in the Gold Cup since July 12, 2003 when the U.S. played El Salvador in Foxborough, Mass."
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Batesianmimicry said...
MLS will never move back into Florida. It would be the same exact story as the Atlanta Thrashers.
I don't think the MLS wants another Texas franchise.
NY makes sense, but the Cosmos bid is a complete mess.
Minnesota needs an investor. They barely kept the Vikings in town, an obviously any stadium would need to be a completely new entity.
The one thing we've learned this year about soccer and Detroit is that downtown >>>> suburbs. To me that signals the end of the Silverdome idea. Detroit City FC has drawn pretty well with it's grass-roots effort. Their supporters are all those young people who actually live in the city. Those people aren't going to drive to Pontiac. For that matter, no one is going to drive to Pontiac. The Michigan Bucks on the other hand never have drawn well, and have always played in the suburbs.
Gilbert, Karmanos, and Illitch seem like the logical contenders to get in on an MLS franchise if it made sense. Gilbert and Illitch seem to be the ones buying up all that downtown land. I wouldn't put it past Gilbert to buy the Revolution or Crew, build a stadium, and bring them to Detroit.
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GoStateNate said...
The Hunts are not selling the Crew. The Crew is not moving. I live in Columbus (for the moment and know people close to the organization. There are projects in the works and money being invested here. All signs point to the Crew not moving anytime soon. The *only* move that has been bandied about is moving the Crew's stadium from the fairgrounds 10 minutes north of downtown to downtown proper in the same area as where the Blue Jackets and Clippers both play, and even that is highly unlikely.
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The Crew draw lower than everyone except the Earthquakes. The Earthquakes are at capacity in their temporary stadium, and will have a much higher attendance when their new stadium is finished (next year?). The bottom line is that Columbus is not a pro sports town.
Are the Hunts planning selling FC Dallas? Multi-team ownership is something that MLS wants to get rid of, but for the most part Hunt's owning Dallas and the Crew is the only case left (I'm not counting the Dynamo, since AEG only owns part of them).
Also, Orlando isn't packing anything, they play in the Sh**rus Bowl, and again if I'm Don Garber I wouldn't touch Florida. It's a retirement ground for everyone else's fans, hard to build a fanbase (see Rays, Marlins, Dolphins, Heat pre-Lebron, Fusion, Mutiny, etc.) San Antonio is something to keep an eye on though. Their TV revenue may be limited? If they can continue to pack a stadium, it could be worth it.
As for Phoenix, unless the MLS switches their seasons, or Qatar actually develops their A/C units, it'd be impossible.
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I'm well aware of what the Crew draws, I'm at almost every match in town. The Crew have had an abhorrent marketing department for ages, and within the last year and a half the FO has hired an almost completely new marketing department. Like I said, projects are in the works.
The Crew has more money than most people think as well. Despite the low attendance (and it is up a bit from last year) they're not hurting and are on pretty stable financial ground, including an active search for a DP to be signed soon out of Argentina.
As far as MLS not wanting owners with multiple teams, the Hunt's are virtually untouchable via the fact that this league wouldn't exist at all if Lamar Hunt hadn't put in the investment.
As far as C-Bus not being a pro-sports town, that's just not true. the Jacket's sell pretty well for a perennial NHL bottom feeder, and sell quite well when they're on a streak of any sort. The Crew, I pointed out has (finally) done something about their atrocious marketing department and I expect year over year attendance to rise as long as the Crew continues its current success on the pitch. Fighting O$U for dollars in the sports market isn't easy, but there's more than enough money and people to go around in this city and it isn't the root issue. All those O$U fans are definitely fans of other sports and pro franchises, and follow them as religiously as they follow Brutus.
You can speculate all you want, but I'll simply point out again that I am relatively close to the organization and have a good bead on where they stand.
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I'm well aware of what the Crew draws, I'm at almost every match in town. The Crew have had an abhorrent marketing department for ages, and within the last year and a half the FO has hired an almost completely new marketing department. Like I said, projects are in the works.
The Crew has more money than most people think as well. Despite the low attendance (and it is up a bit from last year) they're not hurting and are on pretty stable financial ground, including an active search for a DP to be signed soon out of Argentina.
As far as MLS not wanting owners with multiple teams, the Hunt's are virtually untouchable via the fact that this league wouldn't exist at all if Lamar Hunt hadn't put in the investment.
As far as C-Bus not being a pro-sports town, that's just not true. the Jacket's sell pretty well for a perennial NHL bottom feeder, and sell quite well when they're on a streak of any sort. The Crew, I pointed out has (finally) done something about their atrocious marketing department and I expect year over year attendance to rise as long as the Crew continues its current success on the pitch. Fighting O$U for dollars in the sports market isn't easy, but there's more than enough money and people to go around in this city and it isn't the root issue. All those O$U fans are definitely fans of other sports and pro franchises, and follow them as religiously as they follow Brutus.
You can speculate all you want, but I'll simply point out again that I am relatively close to the organization and have a good bead on where they stand.
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You paint things as quite rosy. Blue Jackets were 27th out of 30. 29 and 30 don't count because they're Phoenix and the Islanders (soon to be relocated, and soon to have a new arena/relocated). I'm not saying that the Crew are leaving tomorrow, but once the MLS gets to 20 teams, the teams that are least successful from an attendance perspective will be the most likely to move. Right now that's the Crew. Exact same thing will happen with the CBJ if they can't increase their attendance.
Ownership of Nationwide Arena just changed saving the Jackets 9.5 million/yr in rent and Nationwide Insurance, whose world headquarters are across the street from the arena now have a 30% stake in the team. They aren't going anywhere until at least 2039. In the agreement the Blue Jackets would pay 36 million in damages if they moved before that year. And as far as the attendance goes, Nationwide has one of the lower capacities of all the NHL arenas (20th) and consistently sell 80% of it's seats, even when the team is dead last in the league. Based on number of seats available in Nationwide (18,144) and number of home games, even if Columbus sold out every home game they'd never even break the top 10 in attendance in the league.
You're speculating that once MLS gets to 20 teams that it's somehow automatic that a team will move. I'll repeat myself: The Crew are in good financial health with a new marketing department. Long-term they'll be fine and they *won't* be moving regardless of how many teams the MLS consists of.
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Casino tax-financed deal for Nationwide Arena completed | The Columbus Dispatch
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Ownership of Nationwide Arena just changed saving the Jackets 9.5 million/yr in rent and Nationwide Insurance, whose world headquarters are across the street from the arena now have a 30% stake in the team. They aren't going anywhere until at least 2039. In the agreement the Blue Jackets would pay 36 million in damages if they moved before that year. And as far as the attendance goes, Nationwide has one of the lower capacities of all the NHL arenas (20th) and consistently sell 80% of it's seats, even when the team is dead last in the league. Based on number of seats available in Nationwide (18,144) and number of home games, even if Columbus sold out every home game they'd never even break the top 10 in attendance in the league.
You're speculating that once MLS gets to 20 teams that it's somehow automatic that a team will move. I'll repeat myself: The Crew are in good financial health with a new marketing department. Long-term they'll be fine and they *won't* be moving regardless of how many teams the MLS consists of.
I'm done derailing this thread now
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