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Don't we play @ FSU ?

Haven't seen anything set yet. That seems likely though.

True. But MSU doesn't lose 4 starters, and MSU is actually going to be MORE talented next year.

Can't say the same for UNC, losing 4 lottery picks.

I also think people are overestimating how much losing Green will hurt. Everyone said the same about Kalin. Green was elite of the elite at rebounding...so is Dawson it would appear who can take that role over.

Green was not an elite scorer, as he hovered at 30% shooting wise against 12 of the 15 ranked teams we play. Green, for as many times he would find the open man, had excruciating painful turnovers. You say the Illinois game? When Green came back in the second half, he had 3 straight turnovers. Illinois game was an example where MSU would have probably won if he didn't play at all. Shit happens even to All Americans.

What a stupid post. Green was more than just "elite rebounding". He passed, handled, coached, led, and scored. You don't replace a player like that; you change your gameplan to try to accomodate for his loss. MSU may be more "talented" next year, but it will be a struggle to replace one of the best players in MSU history.

Yes, we heard the same about Kalin. Scoring, leadership, etc.

I agree that the biggest part will be leadership. Also, Green had a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio in the games we had against ranked teams. I'm just not sure where all this elite passing is coming from, not with a 1:1 ratio.

Green was limited athletically, and we saw that when he was guarded by real athletic guys he couldn't score. No, It is not going to be easy to replace him, but I am looking at the sum of the parts coming back and who MSU has coming in.

As I said, MSU will be better at 4 of the 5 starting positions next year and have a deep bench. This is where the optimism comes from. Could losing Green really hurt MSU? Yeah it could. But MSU will be starting three 5 star players next year.

Perhaps you forget some of the circumstances in the Illinois game, so I will remind you:

He was sick at the beginning of the game
Picked up three fouls in the first half, one due to a stupid fucking tech
Hurt his knee half way through the 2nd half

If you watched the whole game, you would have noticed when Green was playing in the second half the team made a little run and looked a lot better. Once he got hurt the game went down hill from there.

We should have kicked thier ass a couple years ago when we made the final four and they sucked... but we didn't...

I'm sorry but who ever said that we were losing leadership when Kalin left? Izzo has said that there was no leadership last year. In contrast, Izzo has said that Green (along with Mateen) is the best leader that he's ever had.

I understand the point that you are trying to make, but we simply cannot underestimate the value that Green had to this team. Yes, he was an elite rebounder. He was a reliable scoring threat that could really pick up the slack when the rest of the team was struggling. But he was also a very smart player. Not only did he know every intricacy of our playbook, Izzo has said that he knew every intricacy of most of the opposing team's playbooks and would direct the rest of the players on what to do mid-game. The value of a heady player that can drive his teammates cannot be represented by statistics, and that is where Green really excelled.

PS: It is becoming very depressing to have to refer to Day-Day in the past tense.

"I would give my left nut for UNC to come to the Bres next year"

Now THAT'S a gimmick that Hollis hasn't tried yet...maybe something at mid court @ halftime could be set up...maybe Roy Williams could do the honors?

No. Just saying that every year All Americans leave teams, and every year those said teams are just as good or better.

How about Kansas last year, losing Morris twin and Selby. Thought they were going to suck, yet here they are in the FF.

I am not going to panic because MSU is losing Green and I am not shy to say as a team, MSU will be better next year.

Izzo is only interested in playing UNC when they're good.

roy boy is only interested in playing MSU when UNC is a national title contender.

Put those two together, and it ain't happening.