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IF MSU has a different name what are they polled preseason?

  • I don't really want to compare to um, but probably the easiest thing to do. If um was coming back with a defense like MSU has, even with question marks on offense are they considered a top 5 team with MNC chances? If they are USC, or OSU or UT, with this class, are they considered top 5?

    Everyone seems to be discounting the defense and talking about replacing a starter QB and recievers/TE's. At one point people were worried about Sims only playing 3 years, not sure what is/was wrong with his hand, but hopefully he isn't chronically injured. Maxwell has had more time than most QB's to get ready for his role, probably the best situation in college FB in the fact that he isn't an incoming freshmen or RS frosh. With Arnett coming in, there is now a reciever who played significant time, but reciever still worries me. The Oline should start the year better than they did last year and Roushar's play calling seemed to improve as the year went on as well. My one gripe is that MSU seems to have a set rotation of plays and doesn't take advantage of quick snaps when the opposing D is confused. Bell coming back with Caper healthy should improve the running game significantly, and because of the recieving issues MSU might go from bottom of B1G to top 3 in rushing.

    The D is going to be something I enjoy watching this year, and last year was the first time in a long time I kinda looked forward to seeing them on the field over the O. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that MSU should be a top 5 team, but you put on a different uniform or say they are from the SEC and I think they would be up there.

    All that being said, I hope they start somewhere between 10 and 15, they have a good enough schedule to prove it on the field and we will find out if they have what it takes or not.

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  • College football is ruled by perception, opinion, and tradition (in a negative sense). Until that changes and those things are limited, stop worrying about winning a system that is designed to be slanted in favor of a few programs and worry about winning on the field.

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  • Funny how Rousher's play calling ability improves almost in tandem with the improved execution of the offensive line. Or, as Duffy replied to a question about the execution of his offensive line, "I'm all for it!".

    Wins will eventually change any perception issues. Game is played between the lines, not in the headlines.

    runningspartan

  • Ohio State has had top 5 teams very recently that look really similar to what we will look like next year.

    Buffalo Spartan

  • If we were called the London Silly Nanny's...i would say we would be unranked.

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  • MSUDancinBear said...

    If we were called the London Silly Nanny's...i would say we would be unranked.

    If we were new to D1 football, probably. But after the season we had last year and the known commodities coming back, the London Silly Nanny's would probably be ranked in the top 25. Maybe BYU would be a good comparison?

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  • Switch us with Florida State, Miami, or Oklahoma and we're top 8.

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  • MSU will probably deserve to be ranked higher, but I can't really blame the voters if they leave us out of the Top 10. For the record, MSU football hasn't been ranked in the AP preseason Top 10 since 1979.

    Here are all of MSU's preseason rankings (according to College Poll Archive):

    2011: 17
    2010: RV
    2009: RV
    2002: 18
    2000: 25
    1998: 23
    1997: 25
    1991: 20
    1990: 23
    1988: 15
    1986: 20
    1979: 10
    1975: 12
    1971: RV
    1969: 12
    1967: 3
    1966: 2
    1964: RV
    1962: 4
    1961: 6
    1960: 8
    1959: 19
    1958: 4
    1957: 3
    1956: 2
    1954: 6
    1953: 2
    1952: 1
    1951: 2
    1950: 19

    http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/app_preseason_team.cfm?TeamID=113

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  • runningspartan said...

    Funny how Rousher's play calling ability improves almost in tandem with the improved execution of the offensive line. Or, as Duffy replied to a question about the execution of his offensive line, "I'm all for it!".

    Wins will eventually change any perception issues. Game is played between the lines, not in the headlines.

    Partially true. One of his problems earlier in the season was going away from stuff that was working. Also some curious decisions at times, risky calls on 3rd and short, trick plays that pushed us backwards when we were gashing the defense. These tendencies definitely improved in the latter part of the season. The OL improvement also made him look better. He was damn near brilliant in the CCG.

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  • ROspartan07 said...

    Switch us with Florida State, Miami, or Oklahoma and we're top 8.

    TBH, if we were FSU or Okie, the ranking is top 3. Miami and it is top 8, although I don't think taht Miami is getting the name bump it used to.

    Not that I really care, although taking the time to type it out shows I care somewhat. What warranted the downvote in the OP? I wasn't trying to be a SB, thought I would bring up sports and try to stay civil about it.

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  • Raytooth Morgan said...

    Partially true. One of his problems earlier in the season was going away from stuff that was working. Also some curious decisions at times, risky calls on 3rd and short, trick plays that pushed us backwards when we were gashing the defense. These tendencies definitely improved in the latter part of the season. The OL improvement also made him look better. He was damn near brilliant in the CCG.

    I think he made great strides throughout the season. If we play Notre Dame at the end of the season with an experienced Roushar, I think we beat them.

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  • Raytooth Morgan said...

    Partially true. One of his problems earlier in the season was going away from stuff that was working. Also some curious decisions at times, risky calls on 3rd and short, trick plays that pushed us backwards when we were gashing the defense. These tendencies definitely improved in the latter part of the season. The OL improvement also made him look better. He was damn near brilliant in the CCG.

    And you know, throwing a screen pass in your own end zone is generally frowned upon.

    (and I know, he called a great game the rest of the way after that, but seriously, WTF?)

    Remind yourself. Nobody built like you, you design yourself.

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  • InTenSity said...

    TBH, if we were FSU or Okie, the ranking is top 3. Miami and it is top 8, although I don't think taht Miami is getting the name bump it used to.

    Not that I really care, although taking the time to type it out shows I care somewhat. What warranted the downvote in the OP? I wasn't trying to be a SB, thought I would bring up sports and try to stay civil about it.

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  • Let's be real, there are a lot of ? on O. If we were in the SEC the defense would secure ua a top 5 spot though.

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  • great D, yes, but what about the offense? We're replacing 3 wide receivers, starting TE, 2nd leading rusher and the starting QB. That kind of cancels out the defense in the minds of the voters. Too much uncertainty.

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  • I had just this conversation with someone the other day.

    MSU would be ranked 6th or 7th IMO if they were USC, Bama, or OSU. I think we'll end up 12th or 13th in the preseason polls. The reverse is true of U of M, they'll probably get 1th or 12th in the preseason based upon name, but they shouldn't be in the top 20.

    The pollsters only look at the starters though, the one thing they ignore every year is depth and depth often is what separates the good teams from the great teams. MSU has the depth of the other great teams this season. I'd match our top 50 players up with any team save for the top 5.

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  • Enrico Palazzo said...

    great D, yes, but what about the offense? We're replacing 3 wide receivers, starting TE, 2nd leading rusher and the starting QB. That kind of cancels out the defense in the minds of the voters. Too much uncertainty.

    For a MSU class it does. I think the offense is going to look more like Ringer's senior year, where he ran it about 300 times and they stayed mostly on the ground. But this is what I'm talking about, the defense is being talked about being one of the best in the nation next year, with question marks at offense everyone is saying that is enough to offset the defense. If we are named OSU, UT, Miami or another brand name, we get the benefit of the doubt on O, are told that it is a top 3 D, and a top 5 team. Step outside and put a different uniform on this team and think about what they would be ranked.

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  • Last year all the experts were hesitant to rank MSU high because "MSU never has good seasons back to back", if that's not lazy and ignorant sports writing then I don't know what is.

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  • InTenSity said...

    For a MSU class it does. I think the offense is going to look more like Ringer's senior year, where he ran it about 300 times and they stayed mostly on the ground. But this is what I'm talking about, the defense is being talked about being one of the best in the nation next year, with question marks at offense everyone is saying that is enough to offset the defense. If we are named OSU, UT, Miami or another brand name, we get the benefit of the doubt on O, are told that it is a top 3 D, and a top 5 team. Step outside and put a different uniform on this team and think about what they would be ranked.

    If we were named OSU, Alabama, or USC, yes, we would get the benifit of the doubt as those teams have shown in past years that have been pretty successful in being able to lose star players and easily replace them (ie, Carson Palmer to Matt Leinart to Mark Sanchez to Matt Barkley).

    If we are able to continue to have the same level of success as the last 2 years with a new QB and new WR's, our perception will start to improve as a team that doesn't fall off when losing a senior QB or when losing a few star players. Our national perception is not there yet.

    If we were named OSU, I'd say we'd be a top 5 team. Being named MSU, I'd say we'll be a top 15 team. If we were named CMU, I'd say we'd be unranked. Realistically, talent returning and some question marks, I'd say we should be a top 12 or so preseason team.

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  • Spartan Punk said...

    If we were named OSU, Alabama, or USC, yes, we would get the benifit of the doubt as those teams have shown in past years that have been pretty successful in being able to lose star players and easily replace them (ie, Carson Palmer to Matt Leinart to Mark Sanchez to Matt Barkley).

    If we are able to continue to have the same level of success as the last 2 years with a new QB and new WR's, our perception will start to improve as a team that doesn't fall off when losing a senior QB or when losing a few star players. Our national perception is not there yet.

    If we were named OSU, I'd say we'd be a top 5 team. Being named MSU, I'd say we'll be a top 15 team. If we were named CMU, I'd say we'd be unranked. Realistically, talent returning and some question marks, I'd say we should be a top 12 or so preseason team.

    Except:

    Hoyer to Cousins...

    Greg Jones to trio of awesome...

    David Thomas to White/Cumningham/Dell to Martin/Cunningham/Nichol

    MSU has replaced a lot of talent under Dantonio. Every year it's the same story...yet
    Dantonio's team have either maintained or advanced whenever a high profile player has been replaced. It's been 4 years...we should be getting some benefit of the doubt.

    BTW just saw a tweet from David Fox of Athlon who basically gave MSU the benefit of the doubt in replacing Cousins and Worthy...saying MSU will be/is over looked because of those loses, yet probably have te beat chance of anyone outside the top ten of making a BCS title game.

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  • Spartan Punk said...

    If we were named OSU, Alabama, or USC, yes, we would get the benifit of the doubt as those teams have shown in past years that have been pretty successful in being able to lose star players and easily replace them (ie, Carson Palmer to Matt Leinart to Mark Sanchez to Matt Barkley).

    If we are able to continue to have the same level of success as the last 2 years with a new QB and new WR's, our perception will start to improve as a team that doesn't fall off when losing a senior QB or when losing a few star players. Our national perception is not there yet.

    If we were named OSU, I'd say we'd be a top 5 team. Being named MSU, I'd say we'll be a top 15 team. If we were named CMU, I'd say we'd be unranked. Realistically, talent returning and some question marks, I'd say we should be a top 12 or so preseason team.

    Aren't we going Stanton ---> Hoyer ----> Cousins ----> Maxwell
    .............................NFL............NFL............. NFL
    I understand they are backups, but its also not too bad either. Should show they are serviceable.

    I agree with what you are saying. Actually I don't think it matters if we are ranked preseason or not, the schedule should be tough enough that winning will prove everything, and if we don't shit the bed in a game against a decent opponent we will be fine. Looking forward to the year.

    This post was edited by InTenSity on 5/15/2012 at 9:49 AM

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  • Johnny2x2x said...

    I had just this conversation with someone the other day.

    MSU would be ranked 6th or 7th IMO if they were USC, Bama, or OSU. I think we'll end up 12th or 13th in the preseason polls. The reverse is true of U of M, they'll probably get 1th or 12th in the preseason based upon name, but they shouldn't be in the top 20.

    The pollsters only look at the starters though, the one thing they ignore every year is depth and depth often is what separates the good teams from the great teams. MSU has the depth of the other great teams this season. I'd match our top 50 players up with any team save for the top 5.

    I would put up our D with anybody, including the top 5.

    SpartanElement

  • RPMadMSU said...

    Except:

    Hoyer to Cousins...

    Greg Jones to trio of awesome...

    David Thomas to White/Cumningham/Dell to Martin/Cunningham/Nichol

    MSU has replaced a lot of talent under Dantonio. Every year it's the same story...yet Dantonio's team have either maintained or advanced whenever a high profile player has been replaced. It's been 4 years...we should be getting some benefit of the doubt.

    BTW just saw a tweet from David Fox of Athlon who basically gave MSU the benefit of the doubt in replacing Cousins and Worthy...saying MSU will be/is over looked because of those loses, yet probably have te beat chance of anyone outside the top ten of making a BCS title game.

    Hoyer to Cousins and Thomas to White are bad examples. We went from 9-4 to 6-7 after losing Hoyer and Thomas. That's the fall off I'm talking about, not talent level.

    Spartan Punk

  • SpartanElement said...

    I would put up our D with anybody, including the top 5.

    Agreed.

    Could you imagine where we'd be ranking if we were coming off the last 4 seasons Michigan had and we were rebuilding our D line and O line to some extent as well as WR and TE like they are? We'd be viewed as having one miracle season where we pulled out a couple of unlikely wins and really really overachieved. With the total lack of depth returning and a lousy passing QB, I doubt MSU would be ranked in the top 25 if we were returning the team and situation Michigan is. That team should not be sniffing the top 20 preseason much less top 10, and I know some realistic Michigan fans who agree with that.

    Preseason rankings do matter, a higher preseason ranking last year and we'd likley have been ranked a few spots higher at the end of the year and have gotten a BCS Bowl game. We just have to keep winning.

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