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Macks said...
Burkhead had like 37 carries at 3.3 YPC. That's not really "tearing us up". Plus we were playing Gardiner and Elsworth at LB. Huge speed and experience drop from Chris Norman.
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tortillagod said...
So let me understand the logic here on Kellen Moore. There appear to be two camps on this board.
Either kellen's insane numbers were a result of a system, not his own skills. So, ergo his loss this year shouldn't impact the Bronco's offense.
Or, the loss of a quarterback as good as Kellen will be tough for the Broncos to recover from quickly.
As for me, I'll take category number two. I'm a tick older than 25 and have seen a lot of great qb's over the years. From what I've seen, Kellen is the quickest qb when it comes to decoding what a defense is trying to do. It's why he was rarely sacked. He was playing games with defensive coordinators the last two years. It was a riot watching him school Bud Foster. That kind of qb comes along very, very rarely.
i doubt I see a qb as good as Moore in dissecting defenses for the rest of my life.
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verde said...
The arrogance of BSU fans is really quite exceptional. It doesn't matter how many starters are lost...or that 2 more starters are now out against MSU... because, well, the backups are even BETTER than the starters! The coach just sprinkles pixie dust and whola! An inexperienced reserve player will magically outperform Kellen Moore!
Imagine if BSU had played these amazing 2nd/3rd stringers exclusively last year... They'd have won the NC!!
MSU isn't this arrogant about basketball...
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Pylon St8ofmind said...
Sure... If you're ingoring the "WATCH OUT WHEEL ROUTE" like 50 yard TD catch by Burkhead and the fact he converted a shit ton of short yardage plays to move the chains... Sure.
Stats lie. He systematically broke us.
In turn, we broke him, he wasn't even close to the same guy the rest of the year. Supposedly we effed his thigh up really bad.
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Macks said...
It was a 27 yard wheel route TD, his only reception of the day, and being chased down by Elsworth if I remember correctly. I won't disagree that he had 3 total TDs and a lot of short yardage plays but they just kept feeding him the rock, and things happened. At the end of the day, it was our offensive ineptitude that lost us that game. 35 carries for 130 yards didn't. We were doing a great job on D until Nebraska was constantly able to capitalize on short fields.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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mentalstate said...
Well then, you don't watch much football.
Moore was a very good QB who was perfect for their short passing game, and thrived on having 9 cupcakes a year to work on his timing & stats while having to not play the whole game, take any hits and have his 1st string stay healthy. He also knew the offense as well as the OC, same thing as Cousins his senior year.
Moore won a ton, but let's be real and recognize what 75% of those wins were. He didn't have a cannon for an arm, and rarely had to win games on his own, but he was very smart and accurate in the short game.
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tortillagod said...
Hey, we're arguing about a player who is now trying to get a spot in the NFL, he's not on this year's squad.
For all the football I've watched over the years, and it has been more than enough according to my wife, Moore is the best qb I've ever seen when it comes to understanding and breaking down a defense from the line of scrimmage. he was uncanny. i've never seen anthing like it over a four year span. There is no one I would rather have leading a two minute drill than Moore. Heck, there is no coach I'd rather have leading a two minute drill than petersen. You diagree? Cool. Your opinion is your own.
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Hey, we're arguing about a player who is now trying to get a spot in the NFL, he's not on this year's squad.
For all the football I've watched over the years, and it has been more than enough according to my wife, Moore is the best qb I've ever seen when it comes to understanding and breaking down a defense from the line of scrimmage. he was uncanny. i've never seen anthing like it over a four year span. There is no one I would rather have leading a two minute drill than Moore. Heck, there is no coach I'd rather have leading a two minute drill than petersen. You diagree? Cool. Your opinion is your own.
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SpartanRocky said...
What are you predicting from your run game? I'd be surprised if Boise hit 130 yards rushing and therefore I don't think 220 yards and 1-2 passing TDs are going to be enough for the Broncos.
I know you keep saying that Harper's great and that the Spartans will be blown away by him, but consider this: Michigan State faced Cierre Wood from ND, Montee Ball, Fitz Toussaint (who I don't think is great, but was still a 1000 yard RB), Marcus Coker and Rex Burkhead last year.
All were 1000 yard RBs. Only 1, Ball, hit over 5 yards/carry vs. MSU, and he only ran for over 1900 yards and played behind a truly behemoth OL. Only 2 hit 100 yards (Ball and Burkhead, though Burkhead needed 37 carries to do so).
Given that MSU also faced the armada of dual threat QBs that littered the Big 10 last year (Braxton Miller, Denard Robinson, MarQuise Gray, Taylor Martinez, Dan Persa, Russell Wilson (twice!), you'd figure MSU's run D #s wouldn't be great, right? Wrong. MSU finished the year ranked 9th nationally in rush defense, giving up just 100.5 yards/game on the ground at 2.8 yards per carry. The 502 rushing attempts faced by MSU were most among the top 10 rush Ds (the second most was #5 LSU's 460, and both teams played 14 games), and second most among the top 25 (Texas A&M faced 508 in 13 games, ranked #12 in rush D). 2.8 Yards/carry was 7th nationally.
For the game, MSU held ND to 114 yards on the ground, Ohio State to 35, Michigan to 82, Wisconsin to 220, Nebraska to 190 (and 3.3 YPC), Minnesota to 120, Iowa to 87, Indiana to 94, Northwestern to 117, Wisconsin the 2nd time (at a neutral site) to 126 and Georgia to 51 (1.3 YPC).
In short: Unless you have a Heisman finalist running behind a giant OL, or run the option, your chances of breaking 130 yards on the ground are not great.
Just for reference, Boise held Georgia to 137 yards on the ground . . . at 4.4 YPC.
So please tell me what DJ Harper, coming off of 2 ACL injuries, is going to do to take MSU by surprise. Take a look at who MSU played last year and the RBs faced. Now tell me what you expect from your running game, and what you think your QB will have to do as a result for Boise to win.
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SpartanRocky said...
Play-action off of a draw. Elsworth takes 2 steps towards the LOS, and by that point Burkhead was already in full-stride. Elsworth couldn't make up the difference.
On Nebraska's 1st TD of the second half, there was a fumble, but they ruled Burkhead had crossed the goal line before the ball came out. You wonder if Norman is in there if they stop him before the goal line, and maybe hold them to a FG (if not a fumble recovery). That's a potentially 10-14 point swing in the game, based on 1 player being out. Really, though MSU lost by 21, that game was pretty even. 2 plays were the difference between in being 10-3 in the 4th Q.
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SpartanRocky said...
Assuming the 50 yarder is a TD, you'd expect what, about 21 points from your O? Do you think that's enough?
FWIW, the longest run given up by MSU last year was a 39-yarder by Nebraska's Tim Marlowe. Important thing to note there: Marlowe is a WR and the play was an end-around.
In terms of RBs, MSU gave up 2 26 yard runs: one to Montee Ball in the CCG and one to Vincent Smith of Michigan.
If Harper rips a 50+ yarder against MSU's D, I'll be both surprised and impressed.
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Assuming the 50 yarder is a TD, you'd expect what, about 21 points from your O? Do you think that's enough?
FWIW, the longest run given up by MSU last year was a 39-yarder by Nebraska's Tim Marlowe. Important thing to note there: Marlowe is a WR and the play was an end-around.
In terms of RBs, MSU gave up 2 26 yard runs: one to Montee Ball in the CCG and one to Vincent Smith of Michigan.
If Harper rips a 50+ yarder against MSU's D, I'll be both surprised and impressed.
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Macks said...
It was on their first drive I believe, then we stonewalled them the rest of the game.
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