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If Dawson...

  • Hadn't gotten injured would we have still won BTT and possibly gone further in the tournament?

    The team had to adjust but was the team built better to make a further run in the tournament with the way we played with him?

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    The Gruff

  • I think if we would've beat OSU on Senior Day, we wouldn't have won the BTT because we wouldn't have been as motivated

    TPain151807 ●

  • The team was much better with Dawson. Would have won that last game against OSU. Would have won the BTT. Still wouldn't have beaten Kentucky though.

    Its five o'clock somewhere.

    Hematoma

  • The Gruff said...

    Hadn't gotten injured would we have still won BTT and possibly gone further in the tournament?

    The team had to adjust but was the team built better to make a further run in the tournament with the way we played with him?

    Would not have been the difference VS L'ville.

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    Rocket_Play

  • T-Pain said...

    I think if we would've beat OSU on Senior Day, we wouldn't have won the BTT because we wouldn't have been as motivated

    Agreed, plus after the BTT we did not play any of the three games well. That first game was literally against a highschool team and a paint fest with like 55 of our points from the paint. When all we had to do was make 2 footers for a whole game we played like piss the next game.

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    Would not have been the difference VS L'ville.

    Yeah. It's hard to say we would have beaten Louisville with him. Maybe we get some more easy baskets from offensive rebounds but I don't know that he adds a whole lot of scoring as to make up for the fact msu was so anemic that night.

    grandy

  • Rocket_Play said...

    Would not have been the difference VS L'ville.

    Thats not what I'm talking about.

    If we played the same way we had all year with Dawson starting we would have looked different and I don't know if that team was built better for the tourney...

    This post was edited by The Gruff on 4/7/2012 at 8:35 AM

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  • I have to wonder if we beat tO$U on senior night and flame out in the BTT if we still land the 1 seed out west. In retrospect, a 2 in the East would have set up for a deeper run.

    BigGreenHouse

  • The Gruff said...

    Thats not what I'm talking about.

    If we played the same way we had all year with Dawson starting we would have looked different and I don't know if that team was built better for the tourney...

    Ok. We still lose to L'vile.
    Dawson at this point is about being a 2014 buzz saw.

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  • I think the answer to your question will be clear ...let me look a little closer into this orb.

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  • I think we would have had no difference besides we would have run on Louisville. Not sure if that woulda made a difference in that game, wouldn't have hurt.

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    Would not have been the difference VS L'ville.

    I do not know how you say Dawson would not have helped against Louisville. We got killed on the boards with Green playing on the perimeter and only Payne or Nix to rebound. Also he could have guarded that Behanen dude or whatever and that would have freed Green up. I don't know if we win, but I think the game would have been close and anyone can win a close game.

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    Would not have been the difference VS L'ville.

    Don't know if this is true having been to a lot of Louisville games. The bad shooting uofl that played Kentucky was the way they played all year. We lost to them because they shot out of their minds not because they were a better team.

    Raygunz

  • Who cares. You play the cards your dealt. He would of obviously made a difference.

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    Spartan8Ball

  • Rocket_Play said...

    Would not have been the difference VS L'ville.

    I agree, he wouldn't have been THE difference. He would have made some difference, but I agree not enough to tip the scales, everything else being equal.

    Certainly, he's no remedy for horrific shooting or that pathetic 2nd half on D from the bigs on the high ball screen.

    Sure, he grabs a couple offensive boards, maybe gets a bucket or two from that, but generally he's not the guy you want against zone.

    Larry Kazamias

  • Larry Kazamias said...

    I agree, he wouldn't have been THE difference. He would have made some difference, but I agree not enough to tip the scales, everything else being equal.

    Certainly, he's no remedy for horrific shooting or that pathetic 2nd half on D from the bigs on the high ball screen.

    Sure, he grabs a couple offensive boards, maybe gets a bucket or two from that, but generally he's not the guy you want against zone.

    Don't know how you can say that for certain. Dawson did a LOT of things well, and more importantly... he gave others a break.

    Dawson wasn't going to bust zones with his shooting but if you run him on the baseline, his presence demands attention and that opens up space for the big men to go one and one and it clears more space out for the shooters on the outside. If you help, Dawson will kill you on the weakside with lobs and offensive boards.

    "Tonight, we show the world what this program is made of!" -- Brian Ellerbe on Mar 4, 2000, the night of scUM's 51-point loss to MSU.

    m00kie40 ●

  • Versus Louisville we didn't have anybody who matched up well with Behannon (15 pts/9 Reb). He seemed pretty similar to a healthy Dawson, so it would have been an interesting match up.

    With Dawson I think MSU owns the boards.

    Spartan86

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