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If the PSU scandal had happened at MSU...

  • AASpartan said...

    Poor what? Try 1992-96.

    We had nothing. We didn't go to the NCAA tournament in 2 of those years. 2 bowl games (losses) and football probation. No hockey titles (CCHA, NCAA, or GLI). Sports wasteland.

    Tony Banks to Nigea Carter!!

    But yeah- Students of the 2000s don't realize how great they've had it.

    ByTor20084

  • Would still root for MSU - would hope that it was realized that less than 10 individuals led to this reprehensible situation and it shouldn't totally devalue the institution as a whole. Yes, one of the individuals involved was the football coach and I think the penalty addressed that appropriately with their total destruction of the Paterno reputation - they basically dug him up and spit on his corpse. Realize that both the NCAA and Big 10 are sending a message with this . Penn State (and MSU) are both great institutions - but it has to be realized that no one individual should ever have that level of power and influence. I don't see that happening again - the Penn State-Paterno relationship will never be seen again.

    I do feel sorry for Penn State alum - they obviously had nothing to do with the situation but will ever be sullied with their association with Penn State.

    Jeff Jackson

  • When Perles pulled his crap, I boycotted the games until he was gone. This type of behavior (PSU) would definitely cause some long term disconnect from the football program.

    bozorules

  • AASpartan said...

    Poor what? Try 1992-96.

    We had nothing. We didn't go to the NCAA tournament in 2 of those years. 2 bowl games (losses) and football probation. No hockey titles (CCHA, NCAA, or GLI). Sports wasteland.

    You're lucky. If you had started a year earlier and gone 91-95, like me, you'd have endured an 0-6 start and a 3-8 season, worse than any season BW or JLS had.

    MiamiSpartan

  • I'd demand our coaches and administration were punished and i would take whatever NCAA sanctions we received as fair. Penn State fans should be happy, while they were punished there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I'd want to remove any and all memory of the Joe Pa years from my program. Its time to start over and build new traditions that aren't tainted by scandal.

    Your average UofM fan and I have something in common, neither of us went to UofM. Though we do share One major difference, I got Accepted.

    MSUDancinBear

  • MiamiSpartan said...

    You're lucky. If you had started a year earlier and gone 91-95, like me, you'd have endured an 0-6 start and a 3-8 season, worse than any season BW or JLS had.

    I'm from that era too. I had tickets to the MSU scum game one year and couldn't even sell them for face. It sucked.

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    Pinky Tuscadero

  • blanch32 said...

    Hence the reason im the #1 bad ass poster on this site. Haters hate me. Rods hate me. Even the owner has raged on me a time or two.

    …and yet I post w/in the guidelines each and every time…

    Dude, nobody hates you. To be honest, nobody really cares about you at all. I barely even notice your posts.

    Spartans ATTACK

  • To be honest I would be out of my mind sad angry and depressed. I live for MSU and MSU sports and if I found something like this was happening and we recevied sanctions like this I would really want to be dead. I mean I know life goes on but knowing that a place you grew up loving and spent mass amounts of money at to attend and get a diploma allowed this to happen I would just give up.

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    stoops21

  • I'm probably not the best person to ask, because I'm a Spartan first and foremost, growing up in the Lansing area in a family full of MSU fans. I did my undergrad at MSU and grad school at Penn State. I didn't really root for them seriously but I did go to several football games because they were fun at the time. For the most part, I feel the same as everyone else does - disgusted and sickened by what happened. I'm furious at the university leadership and hope that justice is served. In addition to that:

    1. Embarrassed to be associated with Penn State. I feel kinda guilty for choosing to go there. Obviously there was no way of me knowing that back in 2006, and I wouldn't have gone there now, but I still feel that way. I don't want people to know I went there, and if there's a reason to talk about grad school, I'll say something to the effect of "I went to an infamous school that it is in the news for bad things." I want to write "CRIMINAL" next to Graham Spanier's signature in big bold letters on my diploma, although it also appears to be signed by their current president and he seems alright. I also had a couple of White Out t-shirts for sitting in the student section. As to date, I've only thrown out the one that had a quote from Joe Paterno on it. I might get rid of some other Penn State-related items, but I'll probably keep ones that were associated with my major. I'm not really opposed to the football program right now, because they had nothing to do with this, and there's no reason to withhold my [limited] support. But in general, I'm embarrassed to be associated with them.

    2. I feel a disconnect between the actions of the leadership and my actual experiences. Most of us had fun in school. It's no different with me. In general, I got a good education and had as good of a time as you can have with the stresses of grad school hanging over your head. My day-to-day experiences were probably just like you'd find anywhere. But the scandal still casts a pall over the whole experience.

    3. I kind of wish people would understand point 2 better. It's easy to criticize and attack when it's not your fan base. I'd suspect most of you guys would be on guard from the blue wall and others taking unnecessary cheap shots. High administration officials covering up a horrific sex abuse scandal at the school you attended or rooted for does not make you a bad person.

    All in all, I'm horrified at everything that happened, and accepting and understanding of any punishment. I'm also glad to be a Spartan. green_koolaid

    cbmsu01

  • I think it would be really hard to accept if something like that happened at MSU. As someone earlier in the thread said, this would be akin to finding out that Izzo was involved in a similar type of cover-up. For all of us who believe that Izzo is generally committed to winning "the right way" (which is the same thing that Penn St. fans believed about JoePa), having to come to terms with someone you revere violating all the ideals for which you revered them the most is pretty crushing. And the first response is denial. I'd like to think that if there was as explicit of evidence against one of our MSU heroes as there is against JoePa, most of us would accept it more readily than those in the Penn St. fanbase who are still in incredible denial.

    I think that it would be a number of years before I could really start to get excited about MSU athletics again.

    And I really just hope that that kind of s*** never happens at MSU so I never have to deal with this.

    voodoochile

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    What would it mean for you as a fan? Would you continue to wear MSU gear? Would you continue to be an MSU fan?

    Even talking with guys who cover PSU for a living, I know that it has almost completely altered their perceptions about Penn State.

    Life altering. The PSU people were freakish about JoePa. Image one coach your whole life, one coach most of your dad's life--your grandfather remembered him as an assistant. No one outside of PSU can wrap their minds around what it must be like.

    Loose Stools

  • I will play along, believing that this will never happen at MSU

    Assuming everything went down EXACTLY as was with PSU with a major sport coach at MSU.

    MSU is not a one-horse-pony, so that immediately dampens the impact. As for the impacted sport, I would:

    - personally vacate all gear associated with the years of the violation.
    - provide financial support in some manner to charitable associations related with the offense.
    - withhold all financial support to the university until I was convinced that processes and procedures were in place to
    never allow it to happen again.
    - do my utmost to continue to wave the Spartan banner in the name of all that I have grown to LOVE from the institution.

    I hope these events have done nothing more than re-emphasize the quality of leaders we have in our sports programs. You can't put a price tag on the "family" word that you hear echoed from each (football) recruit. Damn, it's good to be Green.

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  • I would be stunned.

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    TheBlitzIsOn

  • My love has always been to the university first and the athletic programs second. Would I be hurt? Of course, but if MSU were going through the exact same situation that PSU is going through, I'd be ashamed of the athletic department. I would hope that everyone involved in the cover-up would be sacked and I'd accept the NCAA sanctions.

    I would still continue to love my school, wear MSU gear, visit campus, enjoy WKAR, go to sporting events, etc. Even though MSU athletics is the face that most of us associate with the university, the university is bigger than the athletic department. MSU would continue to be a force of good in the world - we would just need to move past the bad.

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    CuyahogaSpartan

  • Use the RCMB to start a charity drive for sexually abused children / counseling, etc. I assume if this scandal happened at MSU, the way it unfolded would be completely different, but what PSU lacked was any semblance of early action by anybody to address the seriousness of the problem and start finding ways to atone, even if you had nothing to do with it. We would have less need for shame if it was clear to the rest of the country that the alumni base was seriously pissed and recognized the severity of the issue.

    Maybe this is way off base, but it seems like getting the alumni association and other groups to start condemning what happened and finding ways to get off our asses and commit to the issue would go a long ways. It really isn't about how we feel or our own shame, because the focus should be on the victims, so taking action publicly would probably do a lot for both.

    ARW Lasers20025

  • CuyahogaSpartan said...

    My love has always been to the university first and the athletic programs second. Would I be hurt? Of course, but if MSU were going through the exact same situation that PSU is going through, I'd be ashamed of the athletic department. I would hope that everyone involved in the cover-up would be sacked and I'd accept the NCAA sanctions.

    I would still continue to love my school, wear MSU gear, visit campus, enjoy WKAR, go to sporting events, etc. Even though MSU athletics is the face that most of us associate with the university, the university is bigger than the athletic department. MSU would continue to be a force of good in the world - we would just need to move past the bad.

    Did you even follow the PSU story? This wasn't just a sports program violating rules...this was corruption at the highest levels of the institution.

    tVargMan Prime

  • This is off topic, but this thread seems the most active and I don't want to make an unnecessary thread. Can someone link me to an active psu board? The 247 one isn't very active.

    NewYorkDude

  • become the fan of some other school's team.

    I write this as a college football fan who knows you don't want to look too closely at any major sporting franchise.

    Probably can't get too disappointed cheering for Trine(?) or Hillsdale.

    Diodotus

  • I did not attend MSU. My mother worked there in the mid 60's and I was raised a Spartan fan. I would not change my allegiance. I would still be a MSU fan. I believe you are fan through the good times and the bad times. I would call them out for any mistakes made, but I would still support them.

    tnsparty

  • It would devastate me. I have not always agreed with the MSU administration, but god I hope this type of cover up would never happen.

    I enjoy football Saturdays and expecting final four runs. I think the people who support and run the university are good, if sometimes...

    I believe our coaches and AD are second to none when it comes to integrity.

    The sad thing is I believe the average PSU fan, the guy who was a fan, but not inner circle, was very much like me and believed that to be true as well. He must be crushed, mad and feeling cheated. I do not know what I would feel.

    I feel angry, mad and incensed for the victims, but I feel bad and sad for the average PSU fan as well.

    FU to all those that allowed this to happen.

    northandwells

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    What would it mean for you as a fan? Would you continue to wear MSU gear? Would you continue to be an MSU fan?

    Even talking with guys who cover PSU for a living, I know that it has almost completely altered their perceptions about Penn State.

    I don't even want to fathom this.

    LoneWolfSparty

  • tnsparty said...

    I did not attend MSU. My mother worked there in the mid 60's and I was raised a Spartan fan. I would not change my allegiance. I would still be a MSU fan. I believe you are fan through the good times and the bad times. I would call them out for any mistakes made, but I would still support them.

    People should support their religion, through good times and bad, while speaking the truth and demanding accountability.
    They should support their families through good times and bad, while forgiving and setting an example for accountability.
    They should support America, through good times and bad, while bearing witness and expecting accountability.

    Nobody owes loyalty of this kind to a sports team.

    Diodotus

  • RBW Spartan said...

    You got a Big Ten Title, and Magic.

    What about those poor saps who were 02-06? One final four. I was 05-09, so I had one win over scUM, a Hockey Chip, and the 2009 Hoops season.

    91-96 here. Exactly what did we have in sports? Successful hockey team and that is it. Thanks George.

    Posting member of tRCMB since 1997. It is ALWAYS a great day to be a Spartan!!!!

    Raytooth Morgan

  • Raytooth Morgan said...

    91-96 here. Exactly what did we have in sports? Successful hockey team and that is it. Thanks George.

    At least you got to be in the inaugural Izzone. shrug

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  • cbmsu01 said...

    I'm probably not the best person to ask, because I'm a Spartan first and foremost, growing up in the Lansing area in a family full of MSU fans. I did my undergrad at MSU and grad school at Penn State. I didn't really root for them seriously but I did go to several football games because they were fun at the time. For the most part, I feel the same as everyone else does - disgusted and sickened by what happened. I'm furious at the university leadership and hope that justice is served. In addition to that:

    1. Embarrassed to be associated with Penn State. I feel kinda guilty for choosing to go there. Obviously there was no way of me knowing that back in 2006, and I wouldn't have gone there now, but I still feel that way. I don't want people to know I went there, and if there's a reason to talk about grad school, I'll say something to the effect of "I went to an infamous school that it is in the news for bad things." I want to write "CRIMINAL" next to Graham Spanier's signature in big bold letters on my diploma, although it also appears to be signed by their current president and he seems alright. I also had a couple of White Out t-shirts for sitting in the student section. As to date, I've only thrown out the one that had a quote from Joe Paterno on it. I might get rid of some other Penn State-related items, but I'll probably keep ones that were associated with my major. I'm not really opposed to the football program right now, because they had nothing to do with this, and there's no reason to withhold my [limited] support. But in general, I'm embarrassed to be associated with them.

    2. I feel a disconnect between the actions of the leadership and my actual experiences. Most of us had fun in school. It's no different with me. In general, I got a good education and had as good of a time as you can have with the stresses of grad school hanging over your head. My day-to-day experiences were probably just like you'd find anywhere. But the scandal still casts a pall over the whole experience.

    3. I kind of wish people would understand point 2 better. It's easy to criticize and attack when it's not your fan base. I'd suspect most of you guys would be on guard from the blue wall and others taking unnecessary cheap shots. High administration officials covering up a horrific sex abuse scandal at the school you attended or rooted for does not make you a bad person.

    All in all, I'm horrified at everything that happened, and accepting and understanding of any punishment. I'm also glad to be a Spartan. green_koolaid

    Regarding, #3, few people are calking PSU fans bad people because the school covered this up. We are calling them bad people (or at least delusional and F'd in the head) because they are blaming their current president and the NCAA, not the people actually responsible for why this punishment happened. They are not even acknowledging the cover up, which allowed many more kids to be victimized.

    MiamiSpartan