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Is Jim Schwartz's job in jeopardy?

  • No, but it is really frustrating to watch the secondary carved up two weeks in a row at the end of the game. They need help on defense bad. It would also help if they had somewhat of a running game.

    UMWolverines

  • OP needs to lay off football and stick to what he does best; hating on women and minorities.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    tGreenWay

  • john winger said...

    Which WR will the Lions take in the 1st or 2nd round in April?

    You may laugh, but if Burleson's career is over and they jettison Young it becomes a position in need of another upgrade.

    The problem with football is the careers are so short you really can't ignore any one position when attempting to build a franchise. Which is why when you miss on a pick so badly the effect is magnified.

    This post was edited by scimini on 11/22/2012 at 9:41 PM

    scimini

  • I dont think hes going to lose his job this year, but I also dont think hes a great head coach. He seems like a good coach, but doesnt appear to have the composure to be a great head coach. He lets his emotions affect his decision making in games too often. Also, the Lions are one of the most undisciplined teams Ive ever seen. That is a reflection of the coaching staff. I think Schwartz was a good guy to get the Lions to a decent team, but I dont think he has it in him to get them to be a perennial playoff team or Super Bowl contendor.

    jh1spartanfan ●

  • After taking the Lions to the playoffs last year he had about as long a leash as anyone, but some of his performances this season have been for the ages, today being the worst. He needs to close out the season on a solid note or next year he will be on THIN ice. He's the guy who shores up the foundation of the team and gets it going in the right direction, but doesn't seem to be clear if he's a long term coach. Today was pathetic.

    Ivey Wingo

  • jh1spartanfan said...

    I dont think hes going to lose his job this year, but I also dont think hes a great head coach. He seems like a good coach, but doesnt appear to have the composure to be a great head coach. He lets his emotions affect his decision making in games too often. Also, the Lions are one of the most undisciplined teams Ive ever seen. That is a reflection of the coaching staff. I think Schwartz was a good guy to get the Lions to a decent team, but I dont think he has it in him to get them to be a perennial playoff team or Super Bowl contendor.

    Best post in the thread.

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    sparty419

  • jh1spartanfan said...

    I dont think hes going to lose his job this year, but I also dont think hes a great head coach. He seems like a good coach, but doesnt appear to have the composure to be a great head coach. He lets his emotions affect his decision making in games too often. Also, the Lions are one of the most undisciplined teams Ive ever seen. That is a reflection of the coaching staff. I think Schwartz was a good guy to get the Lions to a decent team, but I dont think he has it in him to get them to be a perennial playoff team or Super Bowl contendor.

    Just give me a secondary, and we will see. They finally have a running back at least.

    spartanMF

  • T-Pain said...

    No chance

    Took an 0-16 team to the playoffs in 3 years

    Not a huge accomplishment when you have Stafford (overall #1) and Calvin, not to mention the NFL is THE league in America that lives off parity. That is why the Panthers and Cards have made Super Bowls in the past 10 years.

    That being said, Schwartz needs to be deeply evaluated. His error fucked up the entire course of this game. He acts too "cool" on the sideline, never gets mad or flips his shit. He gets mad after games for handshakes, but not during when his players need to be told to step their shit up. He has a lot of talent (Staff, Megatron, Leshoure, Suh, Fairley, KVB, Delmas, Tulloch) but they always start slow or choke. They choked the last two games when the season was clearly on the line.

    If the Lions could get someone like Gruden I'd go for it ASAP.

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • Cosmo_Kramer said...

    Not a huge accomplishment when you have Stafford (overall #1) and Calvin, not to mention the NFL is THE league in America that lives off parity. That is why the Panthers and Cards have made Super Bowls in the past 10 years.

    That being said, Schwartz needs to be deeply evaluated. His error fucked up the entire course of this game. He acts too "cool" on the sideline, never gets mad or flips his shit. He gets mad after games for handshakes, but not during when his players need to be told to step their shit up. He has a lot of talent (Staff, Megatron, Leshoure, Suh, Fairley, KVB, Delmas, Tulloch) but they always start slow or choke. They choked the last two games when the season was clearly on the line.

    If the Lions could get someone like Gruden I'd go for it ASAP.

    Gruden didn't accomplish shit once he won the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team people really overrate how good of a coach he was infact I'd say he is mediocre and just look at his record after winning the SB for proof.

    Being called a sunshine blower is not insulting to me and I'm proud to be one.

    SpartyFever

  • Cosmo_Kramer said...

    Not a huge accomplishment when you have Stafford (overall #1) and Calvin, not to mention the NFL is THE league in America that lives off parity. That is why the Panthers and Cards have made Super Bowls in the past 10 years.

    That being said, Schwartz needs to be deeply evaluated. His error fucked up the entire course of this game. He acts too "cool" on the sideline, never gets mad or flips his shit. He gets mad after games for handshakes, but not during when his players need to be told to step their shit up. He has a lot of talent (Staff, Megatron, Leshoure, Suh, Fairley, KVB, Delmas, Tulloch) but they always start slow or choke. They choked the last two games when the season was clearly on the line.

    If the Lions could get someone like Gruden I'd go for it ASAP.

    NFL's parity is an illusion of small-sampling. Some franchises are good over time, others are good for only one or two years. Why? The good over time franchises are the actually good franchises. The good for only a year or two franchises are a Royals 8 game winning streak in the middle of a 70-92 season.

    Beardy ●

  • This isn't college...he didn't sign onto coach a bottom dwelling team that lacks facilities and recruiting territory. The NFL is designed for parity. The Lions should be doing much better than they are. I am not sure what the threshold should be for wins this year, but it is a no brainer that he will deserve to be fired if they finish 4-12.

    tVargMan Prime

  • I want a head coach who knows the rules of the game.

    PRStoetzer ●

  • Schwartz must WIN a playoff game in the next two years.

    Lions were lucky to finish 10-6 last year, and they're better than 4-7 this year just not getting the breaks.

    Next year it should even out, and I expect the Lions to bounce back at 9-7 or 10-6.

    I think the Lions must now target their areas of need by moving up or down in the draft instead of just taking the best player available.
    If there was some way to drop in the 1st round to pick up an extra coule of 2nd rounders that would be great.
    There seems to be a lot of DE and CBs in next years draft.

    va slim

  • IMO I think we need a new owner. Think about it, who has been the one constant throughout all these bad years. Ford. You can say all you want about the players and the coaches but the owner has never changed and we've sucked since Ford has owned the team.

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    ejhakayoda1 ●

  • ejhakayoda1 said...

    IMO I think we need a new owner. Think about it, who has been the one constant throughout all these bad years. Ford. You can say all you want about the players and the coaches but the owner has never changed and we've sucked since Ford has owned the team.

    Ford will never sell

    TPain151807 ●

  • SpartyFever said...

    Gruden didn't accomplish shit once he won the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team people really overrate how good of a coach he was infact I'd say he is mediocre and just look at his record after winning the SB for proof.

    You could say the same thing about Bill Callahan. He inherited Gruden's team in Oakland and went to the Super Bowl -- losing to....Jon Gruden

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • Beardy said...

    NFL's parity is an illusion of small-sampling. Some franchises are good over time, others are good for only one or two years. Why? The good over time franchises are the actually good franchises. The good for only a year or two franchises are a Royals 8 game winning streak in the middle of a 70-92 season.

    So how are the Lions so bad? Ownership? Bad drafting? Bad luck?

    The Lions have been in the NFL since the beginning, and they were there WELL before the merger. When you look at all-time QBs and they had to wait like 50 years between Bobby Layne and Matt Stafford, it's just really fishy. The Panthers have only been in existence for around 20 years. You would think the Lions would have made it to the Big Game one year, just once, after all these years.

    I don't see how parity is an illusion though. The Patriots weren't the Patriots until they hired Belichik, Brady appeared out of essentially nowhere and great drafting/trading. That was just 12 years ago. Even teams like the Bengals are legit now, the 49ers are a top team because of drafting, and the expansion Texans are the best team record-wise in the league.

    There is a formula to win in the NFL. It really is a copy-cat league. The Lions are just too stupid to figure it out.

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • He will start next season on the hot seat. He is still missing some pieces, but this season has been a step back. I think he will have something to prove next year, but i just can't see him losing his job after all he has done to make the Lions relevant.

    Your average UofM fan and I have something in common, neither of us went to UofM. Though we do share One major difference, I got Accepted.

    MSUDancinBear ●

  • Cosmo_Kramer said...

    So how are the Lions so bad? Ownership? Bad drafting? Bad luck?

    The Lions have been in the NFL since the beginning, and they were there WELL before the merger. When you look at all-time QBs and they had to wait like 50 years between Bobby Layne and Matt Stafford, it's just really fishy. The Panthers have only been in existence for around 20 years. You would think the Lions would have made it to the Big Game one year, just once, after all these years.

    I don't see how parity is an illusion though. The Patriots weren't the Patriots until they hired Belichik, Brady appeared out of essentially nowhere and great drafting/trading. That was just 12 years ago. Even teams like the Bengals are legit now, the 49ers are a top team because of drafting, and the expansion Texans are the best team record-wise in the league.

    There is a formula to win in the NFL. It really is a copy-cat league. The Lions are just too stupid to figure it out.

    Bad drafting creating no depth.

    scimini

  • scimini said...

    You may laugh, but if Burleson's career is over and they jettison Young it becomes a position in need of another upgrade.

    The problem with football is the careers are so short you really can't ignore any one position when attempting to build a franchise. Which is why when you miss on a pick so badly the effect is magnified.

    Calvin Johnson, Ryan Broyles, Mike Thomas proved to be a decent WR core yesterday and are strong enough that WR is not a position of need.

    The positions of need are a TE that can catch the ball, as pettigrew has basically proven that he does not have pro level TE hands.

    We need a DB to play opposite Houston and a Safety to help Delmas

    If Best is truly done (career) we could use a speed back, though i am hopeful that we may be able to use Leshoure as our primary (15 carries) Bell as our power back (5-7 carries) and Best as a limited speed back/3rd downs. If he is used on a limited basis he may have better durability, but its a rough situation.

    Your average UofM fan and I have something in common, neither of us went to UofM. Though we do share One major difference, I got Accepted.

    MSUDancinBear ●

  • MSUDancinBear said...

    Calvin Johnson, Ryan Broyles, Mike Thomas proved to be a decent WR core yesterday and are strong enough that WR is not a position of need.

    The positions of need are a TE that can catch the ball, as pettigrew has basically proven that he does not have pro level TE hands.

    We need a DB to play opposite Houston and a Safety to help Delmas

    If Best is truly done (career) we could use a speed back, though i am hopeful that we may be able to use Leshoure as our primary (15 carries) Bell as our power back (5-7 carries) and Best as a limited speed back/3rd downs. If he is used on a limited basis he may have better durability, but its a rough situation.

    Scheffler should start over Pettigrew. He actually catches the ball and is quicker and doesn't fumble.

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • MSUDancinBear said...

    Calvin Johnson, Ryan Broyles, Mike Thomas proved to be a decent WR core yesterday and are strong enough that WR is not a position of need.

    The positions of need are a TE that can catch the ball, as pettigrew has basically proven that he does not have pro level TE hands.

    We need a DB to play opposite Houston and a Safety to help Delmas

    If Best is truly done (career) we could use a speed back, though i am hopeful that we may be able to use Leshoure as our primary (15 carries) Bell as our power back (5-7 carries) and Best as a limited speed back/3rd downs. If he is used on a limited basis he may have better durability, but its a rough situation.

    3 WRs is not enough based on the set they run.

    TE is fine at this point.

    Interior OL is a need.
    Outside LB is a need
    DE is a need
    CB is a need
    S is a huge need.

    RB is a want.

    scimini

  • VargMan said...

    I think it's a no brainer that he gets the boot if the Lions finish 4-12.

    Of course you do.

    SpartanInNH

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