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The problem with this logic is that lots of "non-organic" food is frequently contaminated with e-coli.
Just ask Jimmy Johns.

Non-organic: poo and chemical fertilizers
Organic: poo fertilizer

Could that be the result in the improvement in their diets as well? After all people don't look the same as they did 40 years ago either. In the 1960's a 200lb high school football lineman was a rarity. Now 300lb linemen are common place. Is that good????? People today are huge in size compared to what they were 40 years ago. But 40 years ago we only had 1/100th of the fast food outlets available to the public as you have today. today there are 10 on almost every commercially zone block. 40 years ago People ate scheduled balanced meals and less food. They don't do that today.

Warning, mind dump. My two cents - one cent at a time - 1) People forget that a lot of the modifications happen for a reason, and working back for the sake of working back is retarded. 2)There is no FDA regulation governing what is "organic".

1) Pasteurization is a good idea. There are people that make up bullshit "holistic" benefits to unpasteurized, and I don't think the gov't should stop you from drinking unpasteurized, but avoiding the process is really dumb.

2) Every now and then, something tastes better, every now and then, something is bad for you. Take virginiamycin for instance, it isn't known to be bad for you but it isn't good either. It is used for ethanol producing grain as well as feed, and can pass through more than needed. There are several lobbies trying to block the FDA from becoming more stringent. I am aware of both "organic" and regular dairy farms that use the same levels of the aforementioned. On the other hand, you have to wonder about the growth hormones being pumped into cows.I'd be cautious

3) Salt as a preservative is effective. It's on the generally regarded as safe (GRAS) list but it can fuck up your sodium levels if you go apeshit on something. Nitrites for curing meat might be linked to stomach cancer. Adding some acids to lower the pH is practically harmless.

4) I have no problem with genetically modified crops. Montsanto gets a lot of shit but most of it is misunderstood. Some stuff tastes better so that's a preference, not health decision. Same with irradiation, it's unfortunate that the method isn't implemented more often.

Basically go case by case and see what food has/neglects something.

GMO's are totally fine and we have all been eating them for some time. It gets murky with cross breeding and trade bans with places like europe and stuff, though. Irradiation has a hill to climb to the mainstream because food treated by it required to include that on the label. The general population is absolutely food retarded and will see that and think their food is radioactive so manufacturers are currently hesitant about using irradiation despite its effectiveness.(And safety)

Anyways, there was a good article recently in the IFT(Institute of Food Technology) magazine about separating fact from bullshit in organic food. I was gonna link it here but it looks like you need to be an IFT member to read it. But it shed light on quite a bit of bullshit, including the belief that organic food is more nutritious and that regular food is poisoning you with pesticide.

Notice how many snack products use cottonseed oil?
Its cheap and because cotton isn't classified as a food product growers can use many more agrichemicals than are used for corn.

what the eff (to the pic)?

No, almost as big a hoax as homeopathy.

Uh, if you use something "synthetic" then we are no longer talking about an allegedly "organic" food item.......

No shit Sherlock.

The point is that it should be avoided, if possible

Love all your name calling in this thread....as per usual....

Point is, you are, and have been, eating many genetically modified food. And guess what, if not for those genetic modifications there is no way we could feed the billions of people that we do.....

This thread is pretty ironic considering we, well, most of us, went to MSU, the home of W.J. Beal.

The question was is it worth it. I'd say it depends on what you mean by organic. Organic food from meijer; you might as well just buy the non-organic stuff. But, what are you buying this food for? Let me answer, you're buying it for THE TASTE. MSU is a school with a lot of farmers. Buddy up to one of them, and have them serve you a steak from one of their cows, with some of the tomatos that they grew. Now that stuff is worth it. Or even the MSU food Co-op, go buy something from their stand and tell me it doesn't taste better than what you would get at meijer. So I say, if you want to serve up a really delicous meal every once in a while, going the extra mile to get the real stuff is worth it.

Like usual, you're a sensationalist, babbling idiot on this topic.

From wiki:

"Animal dung has been used for centuries as a fertilizer for farming, as it improves the soil structure (aggregation), so that it holds more nutrients and water, and becomes more fertile. Animal manure also encourages soil microbial activity, which promotes the soil's trace mineral supply, improving plant nutrition. It also contains some nitrogen and other nutrients that assist the growth of plants."

From OTA:

"Both conventional and organic agriculture utilize manure as part of regular farm soil fertilization programs."

My 6 year old can tell the difference between "farmer's market food" and "store food". Organic food from the farmer's market tastes better to him. There is a huge difference. Organic farms are not being subsidized like the mass chemically enhanced production, and that plays a huge role in the price hike. Here is plenty of lobbying to keep it that way for the time being. Doing something the right way is never easy or economically attractive. The organic producers operate on much smaller margins but provide a higher quality product. The money you save on cheap and compromised food now will multiply ten fold in your medical expenses later. There is no such thing as cheap quality food.