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Izzo overcoaches at the end of halves...

  • Chris Solari ‏@chrissolari

    Izzo: "Don't even go there" when saw Payne with ball. Said he was about to turn it over. If in Appling's hands, he'd let it play out.

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  • Izzo blames Harris for the last play:

    Chris Solari ‏@chrissolari

    Izzo: Appling could have got ball back on final play. Said Harris didn't run the play right.

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  • That last possession, we're down one with last shot, we've got morgan fouled out with Nix and Payne in, and EVERYBODY on our team is outside the three point line. WHAT ARE WE DOING, IZZO?!

    I love Izzo, but he's not infallible, and he's been screwing up lately. I wish he'd stop playing head games with Dawson. Leave him in there, JUST TELL HIM TO STOP DRIBBLING. Stand by the basket and wait for a rebound.

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  • pulling69 said...

    Izzo blames Harris for the last play:

    Chris Solari ‏@chrissolari

    Izzo: Appling could have got ball back on final play. Said Harris didn't run the play right.

    It was pretty obvious that Harris didn't run the play right. As someone mentioned, he refused the screen to the right and instead went left. Freshman mistake, but he was put in a bad position to begin with.

    This post was edited by arfabe16 on 3/3/2013 at 5:56 PM

    arfabe16

  • Adam Ruff ‏@Spartan_Radio

    Izzo: "We had a play that we kind of screwed up, and that's my fault." Says Gary wasn't supposed to get the ball that deep.

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    pulling69 ●

  • arfabe16 said...

    Why the hell call that timeout at the end? Valentine and Harris had a 2-on-1 on LeVert, and Izzo calls the timeout and a crappy play out of it. Keeps happening over and over again at the end of both halves.

    Agreed. It looked like MSU had UM completely on its heels on the fast break following McGary's missed FT.

    sparty68 ●

  • arfabe16 said...

    And Izzo was calling a timeout on that play, but the refs didn't see it. If he had called it, instead of Korie's shot we probably would've gotten a turnover off a timeout.

    Because he trusted Draymond. He didn't trust Payne with four guys around him. If Payne had just dropped it to a guard after making another incredible rebound, who knows if Izzo calls timeout? He might of, but maybe not. Payne just took off and started dribbling and you had to call it at that point if you were Izzo.

    That last 30 seconds was what happens when you don't have a capable point and don't have a go to guy with under 10 seconds left. Sucks but it's true.

    Lunchables

  • Lunchables said...

    Because he trusted Draymond. He didn't trust Payne with four guys around him. If Payne had just dropped it to a guard after making another incredible rebound, who knows if Izzo calls timeout? He might of, but maybe not. Payne just took off and started dribbling and you had to call it at that point if you were Izzo.

    Then Izzo still fucked up...if he didn't want Payne with the ball why did he wait 3 seconds to call the timeout?

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  • Lunchables said...

    Because he trusted Draymond. He didn't trust Payne with four guys around him. If Payne had just dropped it to a guard after making another incredible rebound, who knows if Izzo calls timeout? He might of, but maybe not. Payne just took off and started dribbling and you had to call it at that point if you were Izzo.

    That last 30 seconds was what happens when you don't have a capable point and don't have a go to guy with under 10 seconds left. Sucks but it's true.

    With Appling's confidence all but gone, we've been going to Harris late in games, and it's not working. It's a lot of pressure on a freshman, and today Gary made two mistakes at the end (refusing the screen, and then panicking and trying to pass instead of forcing the shot up). But Izzo is the one putting him in that position when he's clearly not ready. It also happened at the end of the Indiana game, when Gary missed the layup before IU's final free throws.

    arfabe16

  • Guys, Izzo said post game if it was Appling with the ball he wouldn't have called a timeout, but it was Payne who was rushing the ball down court.

    This is all you need to know, end thread. Payne was going to turn it over. Calling a timeout when your starting center is trying to play point guard is a smart move, imo.

    Walter_Sanchez

  • Walter_Sanchez said...

    Guys, Izzo said post game if it was Appling with the ball he wouldn't have called a timeout, but it was Payne who was rushing the ball down court.

    This is all you need to know, end thread. Payne was going to turn it over. Calling a timeout when your starting center is trying to play point guard is a smart move, imo.

    But Payne didn't turn it over. He kicked it out to Valentine right when the ref was whistling... Denzel was going to get a 2-on-1 (with Harris) on LeVert. Why not trust your players to make a play?

    arfabe16

  • Vim said...

    This is just something we get with Izzo. He saves his timeouts for the end of a game, and uses them because he thinks he can draw something up to give his team the best possible chance to win. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. If he had a coach on the floor (a Mateen, a Draymond) I think he lets that play out.

    Payne and Harris are both capable of being floor coaches.

    Tom needs to step-up his thinking before the tourney gets here

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  • pulling69 said...

    Chris Solari ‏@chrissolari

    Izzo: "Don't even go there" when saw Payne with ball. Said he was about to turn it over. If in Appling's hands, he'd let it play out.

    Izzo covering up. "About to" is BS.

    Optiback

  • pulling69 said...

    Then Izzo still fucked up...if he didn't want Payne with the ball why did he wait 3 seconds to call the timeout?

    It's literally a split second decision. From his angle it could have looked like Payne was just taking one or two dribbles out of traffic after getting the rebound so he didn't get knocked over and travel or throw the ball into someone's arms (which happened two or three times today) while trying to get it to a guard, then when he saw that he was actually taking the ball up court he said OK, let's stop this right now.

    Plus, we got it on Michigan's half by advancing the ball up court. Would have had to take it from baseline if he had called timeout immediately.

    Lunchables

  • Well i.am.glad i am not the only one. And before you sunshine blowers blow a gasket i think izzo is the greatest coach in college basketball and this represents prolly only 1% of everything. But those were major f ups on izzo's part. It is more noticeable when it happens at the end of the game but i swear someone needs to track those end of 1st half posessions as well. I think this was even going on with mateen.
    Give me an open court scramble situation vs your set play every time. Then again if it worked he would be a genius. But it didnt

    Big Green Stick

  • arfabe16 said...

    With Appling's confidence all but gone, we've been going to Harris late in games, and it's not working. It's a lot of pressure on a freshman, and today Gary made two mistakes at the end (refusing the screen, and then panicking and trying to pass instead of forcing the shot up). But Izzo is the one putting him in that position when he's clearly not ready. It also happened at the end of the Indiana game, when Gary missed the layup before IU's final free throws.

    The layup against IU was challenged, it was more of a runner, and the damn thing was halfway down. Not the same situation. Harris made a great play to even get that shot to the rim.

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  • Big Green Stick said...

    It is more noticeable when it happens at the end of the game but i swear someone needs to track those end of 1st half posessions as well.

    And if they DO track them, then what? Do you have a solution?

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  • Whatever the plan it should have been clear to everybody on the team that if McGary misses and we rebound, the ball goes to Harris or Appling who head straight to the basket through the scrambling defense and everyone else heads to the basket for a possible rebound which is a good bet under those circumstances when block outs are tough. Doing a set play with seconds left is nearly impossible when refs are going to allow a lot of physical play by the defense.

    Beastial

  • Of course there is a solution. Coaches may be stubborn but Izzo evaluates everything and if :it is proven he is doing something wrong he would adjust

    Big Green Stick

  • arfabe16 said...

    But Payne didn't turn it over. He kicked it out to Valentine right when the ref was whistling... Denzel was going to get a 2-on-1 (with Harris) on LeVert. Why not trust your players to make a play?

    I don't remember them showing us a good angle but I have a feeling Izzo was screaming for a TO well before Payne made the pass to Valentine. I was surprised they didn't give us time back on the clock

    izzoisdaman1 ●

  • J T said...

    And if they DO track them, then what? Do you have a solution?

    yeah. start trusting your players to make plays. all you do when you take a timeout is let the defense get the matchups they want and set up. It's not nearly as easy to play defense off a scramble and missed free throw as it is on a set play where you know who's getting the ball. It was a bad decision to call a timeout and we have sucked all year out of timeouts. I turned to my dad and said right when we called it that we just lost. We suck out of timeouts

    Big Fella

  • Justinc882 said...

    Just said the same thing to my wife. We got the rebound off the missed FT and had a run out to win and Izzo fks it up with the TO. It's like he doesn't trust his players to make the play.

    The trust thing was my thought too... wouldn't have TO' d the 2000 team... but I am fully confident that team would've made it happen.....

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  • Justinc882 said...

    Just said the same thing to my wife. We got the rebound off the missed FT and had a run out to win and Izzo fks it up with the TO. It's like he doesn't trust his players to make the play.

    Dbl

    This post was edited by reSpectGW on 3/3/2013 at 6:39 PM

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  • MSUTurfgrass said...

    In his defense, he was probably frantically asking for a TO the entire time Payne was dribbling up the court.

    This. I was calling for a TO when I saw Payne dribbling up the court. That had disaster written all over it. I guess I would rather have the team prepared with a TO than push it up and turn it over or take a bad shot. In this case, yeah we messed up. But UM played good D on the play, so what do you do.

    The Pork Pistol

  • The Pork Pistol said...

    This. I was calling for a TO when I saw Payne dribbling up the court. That had disaster written all over it. I guess I would rather have the team prepared with a TO than push it up and turn it over or take a bad shot. In this case, yeah we messed up. But UM played good D on the play, so what do you do.

    It also looked like the M guys stopped playing defense before play actually stopped, which is why I can't believe more time wasn't put back on the block

    izzoisdaman1 ●

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