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Ladies and Gentlemen it's time MSU went Oregon

  • MSU_Lew said...

    Toss in some Oregonesque cheerleaders, and I'm in.

    Also, the OP has a point.

    Toss in some Oregonesque cheerleaders and I, too, will have a point. In my pants.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    tGreenWay

  • Mookie Blaylock said...

    Couple problems with your argument, or potential solution. First, Oregon didn't just slap on some new uniforms and all of a sudden become a national player. They have a world famous, extremely powerful benefactor, who just happens to be one of the most powerful people in sports. He has given literally hundreds of millions to transform their facilities, and to your point, recruiting budget.

    You know what you get if you change uniforms and nothing else? Maryland, and they are a laughing stock.

    Changing a program perception does not happen overnight. Yes, we can become more edgy, etc., but if you don't have the other stuff to back it up, you won't see results. Look at Oregon when they beat scUM even a few years ago. No one at the time said O was a national power, and they had Nike money pushing them. Takes time to build...

    Where I do agree, and where we need to do a far better job, is branding ourselves.

    We do have tremendous history that is not emphasized nearly enough. We have seen some changes (NCs in the stadium signage, NCs on the LED boards when the team runs out). This is good progress.

    We have a history of toughness and hard nosed players. Emphasize more of that identify. This includes more leg work being done on the PR side so that writers and broadcasters besides Musburger understand and buy into this narrative. How often have you heard about ND and scUM and OSU rebuilding the greatness? Yes, we may be perceived as behind, but that does not mean we don't have great history to be talked about.

    Upgrade the stadium and facilities. This is being done. The Duff is great, and the new SS additions will reflect well. Recruiting center, renovation of other side of SS, expansion to over 80k, improving stadium experience so that we can be working to build more mainstream fans that aren't necessarily bought into the program.

    Coach D is the perfect fit for this program. Hollis understands these things. This stuff takes time. We might not get the Rivals top10 class every year, but we can identify and get kids who will work. Look at the improvement in the amount of NFL caliber players in the last few years. If you think there are only 150-200 good HS players every yr, yer nuts.

    To summarize:
    -emphasize history and push return to glory narrative
    -find good fit recruits and win some of the big fights
    -improve facilities to reflect direction of program

    IMO we are doing 2/3 of those things well, and working on the other.

    People need to stop being impatient babies, support the work that is being done, and get more people to buy all in

    Good response. Thanks for taking the time to write that.

    I think there is probably a smart way to combine our two visions.

    Taygetus

  • MSUManiac13 said...

    Someone told me this past weekend that the lead guy (or at least one of) in charge of the Jordan brand is MSU alum. That's got to hold some swing at Nike.

    There may be an MSU Alum high up in Brand Jordan but the guy leading it is Larry Miller. He went to Temple.

    This post was edited by theSpartan on 3/11/2013 at 11:23 PM

    theSpartan

  • Brennan1 said...

    Can you name a nationally relevant program that doesn't have bandwagon fans?

    UM. They think they're a nationally relevant program, but they're not. Over the past 15 seasons, Wisky has been every bit as good as UM, maybe even better because they've actually won Rose Bowls, but even they're not considered 'national'. OSU is the only program in the B1G that is nationally relevant, everyone is JV.

    This post was edited by Frank Ricard on 3/11/2013 at 11:27 PM

    Frank Ricard

  • Some of you people are so gdamn insecure. We're doomed to return to the middle of the Big Ten?

    Urban is unfortunately a force, but I'm sick of our own damn fans in effect anointing Brady Hoke a savior and that Michigan is 'back' before they have even earned it.

    SpartanPride204

  • Bruce Banner Ad said...

    Turn in your Spartan card you fucking woman.

    That's an insult to women everywhere. slap

    SpartanInNH ●

  • Taygetus said...

    Fact: We recruit against ND, UM and OSU. It doesn't get more difficult than that. Now that each of those programs have stabilized, they are starting to consistently beat us in recruiting battles and it will not end any time soon. We are very quickly going to return to a mid-level B10 power if nothing changes. That is a reality.

    Option 1: Try to expand our recruiting into places like Missouri, NJ, Fla and Georgia.
    Problem: We've tried that before. It doesn't work. Like it not, the MSU brand doesn't have enough cache to pull top level talent from states outside of our region.

    Option 2: Rebrand. Go all in with Nike. Become Oregon. Who the F cared about Oregon before they did the uniform thing? They created an identity for themselves and now they are running with USC and they sunk Wash and UCLA in the process.

    We have a bad ass logo. Our uniforms for the last two UM games were fricken' awesome. Let's do that every week. We have a good enough team to win for the next few years. Let's win; and let's look like a modern, confident, cutting-edge program that has attitude while doing it.

    Listen, we can't beat OSU, UM and ND on their terms. That is, we can't beat them when it comes to perceived 'tradition' (I think it's BS, but whatever, it's the reality we face). We need an identity that separates us from the triumvirate. We've done a lot of great things with Sparty and the in-game atmosphere. It's time to go all-in. We've got the perfect AD to pull this off. Take his shackles off and let him rebrand this program for the 21st century.

    That is all.

    Did you forget we rebranded just a few seasons ago? It was a comprehensive rebrand. It was exactly like what we've seen at Mizzou, Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington State, Utah State, and countless others. Just because we didn't get the obligatory black uniforms that turn us into college sports clichés, it's not good enough?

    Nike tried going agressive, they changed our sacred Spartan helmet logo and everyone HATED it. Our basketball uniforms have kept up with the latest template changes, our football team got the chrome helmets. I have to believe Hollis and Nike will be working to continue rolling out things like this in the coming seasons. What more could you want to see?

    It's been stated in this thread and I'll say it again: Oregon didn't just change their look and–BOOM– become a Top 10 team. It took time. It also took lots, and lots of money from people like Phil Knight– people we don't just have waiting to make it rain outside Jenison Fieldhouse.

    Uniforms aren't all of it either; Maryland is a pretty clear example of that. Sure they got their mention on PTI or First Take or whatever, but do you know what got more people talking? Little Giants.

    Uniforms, even hideous ones with black stripes and chromed-out helmets, will only take you so far.

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    The Trout

  • Option 86: Become the I dont give a F about what you think school......Act cocky , talk shit, back it up like Izzo. Stop taking crap from Radio , tv, and puke ass High school kids.

    Bannedmyself

  • How bout we just stick with turning out high character kids who become leaders and contributors to their communities while enjoying their stories of development and growth.

    VASpartan77

  • Winger said...

    Didn't work for Maryland.

    Under Armour is not Nike, let's not kid ourselves here.

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    Ham Porter

  • VASpartan77 said...

    How bout we just stick with turning out high character kids who become leaders and contributors to their communities while enjoying their stories of development and growth.

    Only if they are wearing really cool uniforms.

    duffy munn

  • Nothing wrong with "Going Oregon" as long as the OP has a billionaire booster lined up to be Mr. Knight and that doesn't mean success. Maryland has the UnderArmor founder with no great mprovement.

    Amos Calloway

  • Don't worry guys, I just graduated from MSU and I'm on my way to becoming one of the richest men in the world. Once that happens I'll dump fuck tons of money into MSU athletics because the success of our football program is the most important thing in my life.

    Logik

  • Who are these ladies and gentlemen you speak of?

    Motown Spartan ●

  • The Trout said...

    Did you forget we rebranded just a few seasons ago?

    I might be in the minority here, but our alternate uniforms, the white with the green shoulders, are ridiculously ugly IMO. Those were Brandon Inge stepping up to the plate, huge swing, huge miss. Now that Nike has given UCF the same font that just takes away more.

    I think the OP is saying Hollis needs to be in Nike's ear saying, "You have something new you want to test out? We'll give it a shot and try it." The 14-18 year old kids getting recruited love different uniforms and recruiting is where it starts. Just look down the road, word is that scum bball recruits have been drooling over those neon piss uniforms they have been wearing and even die hard alum fans cant stand them. It might sound dumb but uniforms have some big pull in these kids eyes. And comparing Under Armour to Nike is just dumb.

    Charlie Kelly

  • Frank Ricard said...

    UM. They think they're a nationally relevant program, but they're not. Over the past 15 seasons, Wisky has been every bit as good as UM, maybe even better because they've actually won Rose Bowls, but even they're not considered 'national'. OSU is the only program in the B1G that is nationally relevant, everyone is JV.

    I hate to break it to you, but UM is a national brand regardless of how their football team does. It's very similar to ND. They have too many alums in the media pushing the brand for them to ever go away.

    MSUManiac13 ●

  • I like this thread....change with the times. With the media the way it is, FB, Twitter....you can't change those items you either adapt to them or you die. Hollis needs to run the University like a business and continue to reassess and course correct. I'm in.

    TDot20273 ●

  • Some good discussion. The local landscape is getting tougher. ND is playing in a National Championship. OSU has the Urb's - and is very competitive. And while we like to rip on Hoke, he seems understand the "UM Brand".

    The MSU football had some momentum while those programs were in the dumpster. This truly is a key moment in MSU program. There is precious little margin of error.

    For example, MSU cannot afford to play a QB who doesn't have his shit together. Play well, or sit your ass on the bench. MSU cannot afford to have WR's dropping passes. Catch the ball, or sit your ass on the bench. MSU cannot afford to have keystone kops field goal attempts. Coaches need to coach these kids, or get demoted.

    Dicks Fake Eye2

  • MSUManiac13 said...

    I hate to break it to you, but UM is a national brand regardless of how their football team does. It's very similar to ND. They have too many alums in the media pushing the brand for them to ever go away.

    All that matters is what happens on Saturdays, period. Since MD has been here, those have gone a lot better for us.

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    Punisher99

  • WOW, just WOW about the number of dweebs in this thread who have completely no clue about MSU, it's history and what wins...

    Hmmm, let me check the records.... Oh yea, who's won the most recent Natty Champs... Who? What kind of Fb do they play... hmmm How many has O won?

    May your Grandmothers piss on your socks....

    Nίκη για MSU

    Bender

  • Zeno said...

    Being like Oregon requires having an alum with ridiculous amounts of cash to throw at whatever the AD asks for without questioning it. We have Broad, Gores, and Gilbert (you could include Sam Raimi in this even though he left after 3 semesters), but none of them seem to be interested in MSU athletics. It sucks because there is a noted correlation between athletic success and enrollment applications.

    Tanfan

    Phil McCrackin

  • I'm willing to donate some cash but only if it goes to buy sandwiches for a bunch of kids standing around outside the Breslin Center..

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  • We need Nike to put a midwest operations center here in Lansing first of all. We already have the good "chron", just add the revolving uniforms and bring jls back (need a ringleader if you are going to start a circus). Bingo...Oregon lite...profit???

    WalterSobchak19 ●

  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    You go all in Oregon style and still go 7-5 then we become a national laughing stock. Lets just stick to being a basketball school.

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    "Losing Benenoch is a mortal blow from which this program can't recover"-T-Pain

    Rogue Leader

  • MSUManiac13 said...

    I hate to break it to you, but UM is a national brand regardless of how their football team does. It's very similar to ND. They have too many alums in the media pushing the brand for them to ever go away.

    The bandwagon fans thinks their brand IS the football program. In their minds, it's everything UM represents. If the football team continues on it's path of one conference title every 8 years and a .5 NC every 60, and continually losing in bowl games against the elite teams, then they'll fall off the bandwagon once they get it that the UM record isn't as good as they think they are and aren't really part of the CF elites.

    Or you could be right and the bandwagoners will stay in their delusional state. Come to think of it, being a bandwagon UM fan is sorta like believing in religion, so you're probably right. F 'em.

    Frank Ricard

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